America Invaded Iraq Solely To Steal Their Oil.

Why did America invade Iraq?

  • To steal Iraq’s oil distribution rights.
  • Because of WMDs, terrorists in Iraq, "evil" Saddam, to create democracy, and/or stop radical Muslims.
  • To create jobs for Halliburton, profits for oil companies, revenge for Daddy Bush, to further neo-con ventures, and/or to aid Christian missionary work.
  • Some combination of the second and third option.
  • Another reason – please specify.
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We have now been in Iraq over 3.5 years.

After all this time, it truly amazes me how current events of the time leading up to the invasion can still be glossed over and never pieced together to reveal the missing picture that puzzles so many in the public, a picture that every Senate Intelligence Committee member has taped to his/her office wall. :unamused:

In remembrance 


The time of oil sanctions against Saddam was comming to an end.

During the time of sanctions America, Britain, et al continued to receive Iraqi oil, and Saddam was forbidden to cut new-partner deals.

Thus California’s refineries mercifully continued to receive the special sweet Iraqi crude that they are geared to refine, Iraqi crude that on any given production day accounts for from between 8 to 28 percent of the oil refined in California, Iraqi crude accounting for nearly 20 percent of the imported crude oil refined in California.

I say mercifully, because the loss of that oil would have been economically catastrophic. Different “flavors” and grades of crude are used for different processes. Only Iraq has the available special light sweet crude California’s refineries need for the processes they perform. Retooling a refinery to refine a different crude and for a different process is so tremendously cost-prohibitive that it is considered practically impossible. And the processes that would have been curtailed from losing the special sweet Iraqi crude would have so damaged California’s economy that the ripple effect would have sent the entire country into a recession 
 or worse 
 and as the other “industrialized” nations know, what’s bad for America is also bad for them.

But as China’s need for oil increased, and Russia needed cheap Chinese goods, talks among their leaders and Saddam began to develop.

Then, near the end of sanctions, France began the process of brokering a deal that, as soon as the oil sanctions lifted and Saddam could once again choose his own trading partners, would send Iraqi crude to China, cheap Chinese goods to Russia, and Russian weapons to Iraq, with France accruing some oil benies as well.

But the problem was that Saddam didn’t have a lot of “spare” oil to complete the deal to meet the massive Chinese consumption needs.

Now when they heard about this deal in the works, it was bothersome enough to Bush and the neo-con gang that China would be getting the oil it needed to be a superpower, so they warned Saddam not to do so.

But when a still-disgruntled Saddam recieved GWB’s fuel-to-the-fire warning, well, not surprisingly, he “announced” that it was “his” decision, and, if need be, he would simply divert California’s Iraqi crude to China!

Of course the U.S. warned Saddam that doing so would suffer him some very “stiff” consequences 
 to which Saddam replied with the middle digit 
 and the four-way negotiations intensified between Iraq, China, and Russia as brokered by France.

The die was then cast. America had to prevent the loss of California’s Iraqi crude, no matter what. And Saddam could no longer be “reasoned” with.

But Bush and the gang knew that if they told the truth about why they were going to invade Iraq, an invasion The Pentagon knew would cost scores of thousands of Iraqi civilians their very lives, that he would be impeached if not cause America to be invaded by a U.N. army.

So, he lied. He lied to the American people and to the rank and file of Congress, telling the truth only to the Senate Security Committe who voted in the majority to support the Bush plan and use Bush’s suggested red herrings as the false reasons for the invasion, keeping the truth from the rank and file of Congress and the public, the truth that every world leader now knows: that America invaded solely to steal Iraq’s oil distribution rights to prevent the loss of America’s “share” of Iraqi crude, a loss that would have plunged America into a devastating but not life-threatening depression.

So the WMD, terrorist activity, and “brutal despot” red herring social issues, etc. were contrived and played to the American public 
 and with support from these red herring diversions America marched into Iraq, slaughtered scores of thousands of Iraqis including helpless little children and their defenseless parents 
 to steal Iraq’s oil distribution rights under the guise of “liberation”.

Bush and the gang now hope that an Iraqi “democracy” (read: capitalist) government can be easily as indirectly controllable as a directly controlled dictator 
 though that remains to be seen.

Regardless, the only reason America went to “war” with Iraq was to steal their oil distribution rights, and for no other reason, as the recent CIA reports “admitting” there were never any WMDs or Iraqi-sanctioned terrorist activities in Iraq at the feared times have confirmed. Considering that other nations, especially in Africa, have a “reputation” of genocidal behavior and we haven’t “intervened” there, and considering that these nations have nothing we want – such as the special light sweet crude oil that Iraq has – it is now obvious beyond any shadow of reasonable doubt that the Iraq war was merely an oil grab, and nothing more.

Yet despite all the separate articles in the offline and online papers back then about the special sweet Iraqi crude, California’s refineries and their needs, the Iraqi oil we were getting, the international deals being discussed pending sanction lifting, etc., etc., all the way up to and including the more recent discrediting of the contrived CIA “intelligence”, few if any have any energy left in the matter to admit to the horror of what truly obviously happened and why.

And that is truly sad, because the truth, which is as I state it, is burried into the realm of “conspiracy theory” in the minds of those who just can’t admit that Bush lied to them and pulled one over on their ego, and all Bush had to do to keep the truth so hidden 
 was to simply lie. His status as President would cause so many people to “believe” him, no matter what.

But the truth remains, America chose that the crises management difficulties and the cost of the crises themselves that would be caused by California’s and the rest of the country’s loss of the special light sweet Iraqi crude and the associated international repercussions far outweighed the cost of the “war” 
 and the lives of the Iraqi’s who would be slaughtered in the heist.

Did America do the right thing 
 or not.

As the facts are assembled, history will decide.

And that is hopefully preferable 
 to nuclear-armed “terrorists” making that decision in place of historians. :astonished: 
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Can you include more options? I think there were many justifications for going to way in Iraq - few valid. But, your poll doesn’t allow for my position. Can you expand it?

The straw that broke the camels back can never be known, but the most likely “reason” the media would sublimate us into believing is the reason why the war effort continues, is to “clean up” resistence, help the new government establish itself, and continue the program to locate and neutralize terrorist groups which are harbored by the country.

That’s what is happening. And if it isn’t what is happening, then we cannot possible know what is happening, so why bother?

Why bother?

Because civilized people don’t take kindly to murder.

Over 100,000 Iraqi civilians were killed as a direct result of America’s invasion, and 48% of those cilivians killed were children with a median age of eight years-old.

If that happened in your country, perhaps to your relatives, you might not be saying “why bother” so flippantly. :imp:

Considering that there are six degrees of separation, there are scores of millions of bereaved people in the Middle East because of America’s murderous oil heist. That’s a lot of people to draw on to recruit for vengeance.

So it is better that America punish its guilty leaders 
 than for America to get a pack-pack-sized nuke up Washington D.C.s ass courtesy of Al Qaeda, Al Qaeda which was not in Iraq before (Saddam wouldn’t allow the “competition”) but now is very active in preventing any stablization that would benefit the American invaders.

Iraq is a lost cause, worse than Vietnam in near-future repercussions.

Best is for every American to compel Bush to tell the truth publically than for WWIII to break out as a result of a 9/11 type vengeance.

And what is your position, specifically?

One that encompasses more than considering a few factors that conceivably constitute a nation’s justification for going to war. Why must must things be black, white and shades of grey?

Are there no other colors?

Gobbo’s a wack-job without a sense of humor, but I still like him.

Nice edit, Gobbo - guess I’m too quick.

You’ll like me a whole lot better in a couple of years.

You gotsta come more 'pecific - gimme the lowdown.

But, no, I don’t believe you in the back of my mind; I just know that many others share your view. I think most of them are wack-jobs too. I don’t judge 'em for it. And I don’t judge you.

In matters of economics, the reasons are the color of economics, not the color of red herring social contrivances.

The scenario is just as I presented it in the initial post of this thread.

Without the oil issue, without the oil loss, there would have been no conceivable value to slaughtering so many, not even in the mind of Bush, Rove, Rumsfeld and Cheney, all who knew that there was no WMDs, no terrorists, no “evil” Saddam, etc, etc, etc.

Without the oil, the sole economic factor, there would have been no invasion.

Reality is what it is.

Perhaps you too don’t want to imagine that America’s braintrust values oil and money more than the lives of over 50,000 Iraqi children.

Think about it 
 before you start rambling off irrelevant generalizations about blacks, whites, grays and other irrelevant colors.

It is, from each perspective. And you’ve not given me any clue that you even understand reality from the legal perspective–which I questioned you on in another forum–so why should I accept your view of reality from any other perpective?

Your reality is a dream.

Meh
 specifics? When you see what starts to go on overseas you’ll see the specifics.

Jenny, for the record:

Iraq was planned years and years ago along with 9/11 which was perpetrated by part of the US gov’t and a couple Muslim lackies they and Otta duped into killing themselves for their religion.

video.google.co.uk/videoplay?doc 
 +mysteries

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You mean I have to move overseas AGAIN to understand you. You are a demanding fuck.

See
 that’s just not funny.

Why? Because it completely obliterates your presumptions? You have no sense of humor, Gobbo.

Honestly, I agree. It is no fun to be proven absolutely wrong. I know I have done it to you so many times that you’ll likely never forgive me.

But maybe it says more about you, than it does about my sense of humor.

Hey lady, waydaminute heea. I’m a revolutionary and I belong in the jungles of Bolivia. See the title up there on the left? It says Marxist, and that means I’m a lefty, and that means I support interrogative measures against America of any means, even if its a pseudointellectual like you with excessive verbiage and Dolly Parton lyrics in her signature box. The last thing I want to do is stand back and watch the American Empire take over the world. I didn’t say you couldn’t protest the war
I said your reasons are useless in a real argument. You’re pushing propaganda. I said that was cool, I didn’t say it worked though.

And why do you have to move overseas again?

Argument? All I’m saying is that you’re not gonna like the next couple years because there will be expansive violence in the middle east at the cost of loss of life here.

The fact that it all hinges on 9/11 isn’t my ‘argument’ it’s more or less an accepted fact. You can argue it of course


I’ve been told this for the last thirty years of my life. Thank God I am now hearing it from the Messiah. Exact words almost
“look out for the next couple years”
over and over and over and over and over and over


I know of no one who thinks rationally that has accepted your argument as fact.

Where do the aliens come in?