I was talking with my friends telling them in order to get a good job you must come out of a grand great school and have a high GPA. While, you came out of a no name school or a low GPA, or started with a low GPA, and work your way up. Don’t even think about getting a great job. Because the people who are judging who to hire, will have a prejudice mindset. Better off, seeking a honorable job and stay there, because no one gets what they want.
Even though you said you will graduate with a nursery or pharmacist, who can gurantee you; you will be hire? Don’t expect much in America, but seek and ask questions now, and be serious now, rather then after graduation during your party days.
Gates did not graduate from university. I thought this was about how to make the country better, or is this more along Golding’s line of reasoning that a country is only as good as each individual?
Generally, this is true. Individuals who stay put in some positions will earn more in the long run, for example education. Lousy starting wages, but they do increase.
Granted, education is good for a country, but personally I dislike the disdain many have for the trades, people who plumb, build, etc. They are quite valuable as well.
You could burn 97% of the lawbooks, eliminate 85% of the government agencies and create very strict & short term limits for elected officials. Axe 85% of the government jobs, force the 15% still working for the govt to pay taxes like the rest of us, and you’d be damned close to having our problems fixed.
Repeal prohibition (on most drugs), abolish the IRS, & deport all illegal aliens and you’d basically be done.
One thing that I think would help immensely is to have a certain cap on the amount of income one can get. There comes a point where one is earning so much interest on their money they cannot possibly spend it all fast enough. I’d say if you are drawing 1600 dollars a day in interest, that’s probably extravagantly much. A cap on this sort of thing would keep the money from damming up within a small percentage of the population a bit better than the present scenario.
I also think that there needs to be a serious re-evalution of payment based on what it is one does. Why does an attorney earn more than say, a plumber? Why does a pharmceutical rep make more than say, a teacher? We all know what professions earn serious bucks, but when you think about it there really isn’t any GOOD reason for it other than “it’s more expensive to earn this education”. I’m sure, if we wanted to, we could have an eight year school for plumbing and jack up the price and then suddenly plumbers would be able to charge $100 for a phone call for plumbing consulting. It’s damned ridiculous.
I think the majority of the problems today can almost all be directly related to money. I mentioned to a friend the other day if people in America really get fed up with the way things are, if they’d all declare bankrupcy at once, well then, things would be quite different wouldn’t they?
Shinton’s idea is rubbish. Who sets the cap? Is it an aboslute number that one can’t exceed? Is having two televisons excessive? What about two cars in a two income family? And why should a plumber earn as much as a doctor? Didn’t the doctor (or attorney) spend several years and tons of money to qualify himself as a professional in his field? Can’t a plumber just place an ad in the newspaper? Has he made the same sacrifice to improve society that the doctor (or attorney) has? [As someone who worked several years as a qualified “technician” and then decided to pursue a professional degree, I can attest to a world of difference in commitment in both financial and intellectual requirements between plumbers (or automotive technicians) and attorneys (or doctors)]. Shouldn’t we compare apples to apples?
Phaedrus sums it up well, I think - with the exception of illegal aliens being deported.
Every economically advantaged society faces the problem of “illegals” infiltrating its work force. But illegals are only a problem if they threaten the dominant society’s way of life - the US’s generally don’t, in my opinion. I think they benefit us, until they start screaming for rights - then I side with Phaedrus.
I think that a certain amount of money could be agreed upon as reasonable. I don’t know who would enforce it, and I don’t particularly care quite frankly. I don’t have an entire mechanism formulated for the ills of society. I’m just speculating as is the nature of this thread. I don’t think the question of “How can it be improved” exactly demands I have a rigorous mechanism postulated.
I’d suspect it would have to be an absolute number one couldn’t exceed.
These things could be discussed, and are clearly issues to be addressed. Nonetheless, I don’t think there is any denying that the rich in many cases have more money than they reasonably know what to do with. At what point does one really “need” a 20,000 square foot house?
You just asked the same question I asked again.
Spending tons of money is a good reason to make tons of money? I addressed this sort of thinking in my original post. Why don’t plumbers simply make a school that’s expensive to go to and charge MORE money?
Can’t a doctor?
That’s the question of the moment.
So I should take your word for it?
How would you propose I do that?
Phaedrus’s solution is pretty vague…not that I don’t agree with him/her. You were very keen to get particular with my idea, but not quite so eager it seems to be quite so critical of Phaedrus’s. Why?
No, you shouldn’t. Unless you really endeavor to understand why plumbers should not be paid as much as attorneys.
Perhaps you know why, and you’re just throwing questions out there for our amusement. Perhaps not.
I don’t really care. But I will not offer much of my time to you unless you are able to distinguish between jobs that require a significant intellectual or physical contribution from the person from those that require virtually nothing.
But this can’t be why doctors earn more than plumbers, other wise doctors would earn more than pop stars or football players. Wages are determined by supply and demand.
I agree with yopele that this is an unworkable proposal. The way to reduce someone’s earnings is to demand their services less (unfortunately this is not always possible within the framework we live in).
What do you mean by a ‘good’ job? Why isn’t being a plumber a ‘good’ job? After all, plumbers have done more for reducing mortality rates than doctors.
Recent thought: America would be better if we had more interest in reading books from other cultures. America is way too insular, and the people know nothing in of other countries, where they are, etc. Think of it as preventative medicine in national security. You can make a law against watching commercial television so people are bored enough to read books again. School scores would soar.
Second thing we could do to better America: Impeach and try President Bush and his Vice-Perpetrator Cheney. Then send them to the Hague to be tried on war crimes, ignoring the Geneva conventions, etc.
We could also find a way to end class warfare in America: Dem vs. Rep. We need a political will to value the person first, not money. Make sure businesses treat their workers with the dignity, not hesitant concessions.
I agree, and it does irritate me. But the only reason the athletes make that kind of money is because too many of us --I don’t exclude myself-- are willing to pay $50 bucks (or more) to watch them do their job. This is totally on the consumer.
Who gets to decide who is hired and who don’t? Those who gets to decide have poilices that was set by another higher authority who is qualified.
While, saying doctors or pharmacist, those who are in high demand, will have no problem of finding a job no matter what school you came from.
But those who study other then the ones who are in high demand, you are facing a problem, the discrimination of judggin who to be hired and who not. Thats why schools who are not popular will cast aside, or a hard working student who tried to pick up his GPA, will not be notice.
Are you insinuating here that plumbing requires “virtually nothing?”
I think you are arguing from the perspective of how things are. Doctors have schools they go to that are expensive. I understand that. There was a time when medical doctors didn’t do this and people only went to them as a last resort. At some point, “doctoring” became more involved which required more school.
I’m sure we could toss in some theoretical plumbing classes–the gravity of drainage for example–and do the same exact thing for plumbers. I don’t see “doctoring” as being inherently worth more than plumbing. Why should it be other than the schooling for it is more expensive?
I’m not sure this is true. If it were, I should think that nurses would make more money than say, pharmaceutical reps. Pharmaceutical reps, I don’t think, are more IN DEMAND than nurses. They just get paid more.
Actually, schools are teaching world literature, fables, etc., of many cultures, and this cuts into our history, geography etc. I love it when there is a map in the room as even college students do not know where France is, much less any other country or state for that matter.
You forgot regarding the PC bs that is going on. Native Americans are no longer depicted as having long hair, it is our founders, not Founding Fathers. I mean who the hell signed the Declaration of Independence? Who wrote the Constitution? Sure, women were vital to survival, but facts are just that facts.
No, I am stating that it requires nothing to become a plumber, other than perhaps the knowledge that shit runs down hill.
Not so with doctors - you can’t just graduate high school and announce to the world that you are a doctor.
And a plumber could function quite well despite possessing an extremely low IQ. This is not so with a doctor.
