Ah, the Oath Keepers movement! We took a oath and pledge to protect the United State’s constitution! Uh-huh…right…
How’s that false narrative of heroism wrapping yourself in the American flag working out for you? So very patriotic!
Truth be told if you cared anything about that supposed constitution you would of never enlisted to fight in imperialistic wars abroad for the oligarch class where instead you would be here fighting domestically the last sixty years of history, but hey, what can we expect from blind faithful nonthinking armed government mercenary dogs of war?
The reality is quite simple, when martial law becomes more put into place in this country, which inevitably very soon I think it will, you soldiers are not going to aid the American public, no instead, you will aid yourselves and your family relatives where you will continue to follow government orders handed down to you. Some may deviate from orders, but the majority will continue to be an armed military front against the general population.
Lets not kid ourselves here. When the currency of the dollar is destroyed and the fall of the Soviet Union looks like a picnic compared to what awaits us a majority of you will follow orders. You will starve out and kill anybody that doesn’t go along with the continuance of government initiative.This is why any movement that organizes itself to fight the government establishment must not assure itself that there will be ample amounts of soldiers there waiting to embrace their cause. It simply won’t happen.
In fact a majority of those soldiers will be the same very tools utilized to hunt and strike you down.
What needs to happen is for civilians to come together and create a civilian military force to protect themselves from inevitable future government military aggression.
The point is clear - in order to have a chance, you need military behind you. I disagree with your statement “it won’t happen”, because I think it’s a matter of who gets instilled with what kind of idea.
The aim is to inspire the pathos of aggressive loyalty. Nor America’s nor anyone else’s army does does this by appealing to justice, they do it by appealing to strength, using the language of the alpha male. This is the way to engage soldiers in a conflict, regardless of the sides. On a military ground-level, you have to appeal to hormones. Hormones are the key to very soldiers “morality”, cause, banner for which he carries his weapon.
So the big riddle, it’s like the holy Grail almost, is how to get the hormone levels of aggressive young males playing to the advantage of your cause. When you succeed here, the cohesion of the enemy’s force is no longer secured.
Right now we have two camps - to use Roman terms, Martial and the Lunar. There is no exalted value or higher reason involved, there is only will to dominate and receptivity. Politics reduced to its most primitive form, possible because man is reduced to his most passive, complacent form of self-valuing.
Evoking hormones to a cause will involve detaching man from his emotions (Lunar) and awakening a sense of pride (Jupiter).
All supreme Gods have been Jupiter-based. Right now we have no God, we can’t have a God, we don’t want one - but we do need the element of Jupiter. How can this be evoked without appealing to mysticism?
Most, the majority of the military stays in the military for one term of service then opt out. Very few are lifers or go more than two terms.
The military of the USA is far different than most. The training is now more passive then aggressive. God forbid if a DI calls a recruit a nasty name or knocks him or her to the ground for being a danger to others. Our military is the most civilian friendly passive military out there. Poorly trained, kept from any abuse and if an actual bullet whizzes by them, they get PTS. They would no more turn against the mass of USA then a baby could. That sort of behavior was not beat into them. They leave the military because as easy as it is in ours compared to others it is still too hard to deal with. We have a waay too civil oriented military to be dangerous to their own. Others sure maybe…not here though.
I come from a family of officers and noncoms.
Wait - are you saying that no one is actually enforcing the state? That, if civil disobedience were to take hold of the masses, there wouldn’t be a force to stop it?
Pretty much, our military does not have the brainwashing it takes to turn against the mass of the population, small select groups yea, but not a full civil unrest or even half. It takes major training and brainwashing to do so. We just do not do what other countries do to their personnel. We never went that far and now it is even less by far. You have to actually break a person down then build them back into a tool and to get the military to turn on their own you have to have done so by tearing all loyalist and familial leanings and give them new ones. Stockholm syndrome would fit in a way. The government becomes your parents, the military are your siblings.
We have always stopped before that and now its even less. In the past you joined and stayed for retirement or til another offer came up. Now its in and out. Generals and Admirals would have massive mutiny if they targeted the states.
I am a veteran…we need soldiers to defend this country…we also need police to enforce the rules…
you need to make sure you have good people leading and enforcing…this thread is another piece of shit…
Turtle how many terms were you in and where did you serve, who was your CO and the designation? Where did you train, what service, what years, when? What did they feed you on the first day? What did they feed you when you left the boot?
But it’s not like everyone is going to rush out on the streets at once. Somethign will build. If the first Groups are named extremists and meet with violence, a lot of people are going to stay Indoors. If it does however build up to a more general chaos, the information will be controlled. the various units will be dealing with their specific targets and goals.
The US military gets a mixed review. Special forces are probably the best in the world, regular forces have gross deficiences, some of which are masked by incredible technical advantage. If martial law would become an actuality, there is every reason to believe that it would be more likely than not, they would effectively enforce it.
As we have no precedent, it’s hard to say what the outcome would be.
I cannot forsee the use of drones, for instance, against our own people, in case of ineffective use of troops for enforcement of martial law.
James, police are trained different. They are trained to kill their own and protect their own. The mindset is different, I worry about the domestic law enforcers turning on us, not the military. There was martial law here after Katrina. The civilian deaths and beatings came from cops not the military that was all over the place. They helped, never hurt. Even arresting violators was peaceful not arrogant compared to the cops. Under martial law I prefer the civilian friendly military. They are trained for us not law.
Ladies and gentlemen, what is going to happen is that in the near future the United States dollar is going to take a crapper overnight where out of the chaos or total anarchy of that event they’re going to declare martial law for the contingency of their continuance of government.
While they usher in the new regime trying to put down every rebellion that breaks out with a new currency to go with it they’ll use food and water as the temporary currency into transition. It will be pretty fundamentally basic in that they will only allow people food who show obedience to their transition.
Don’t go along with their programming and they’ll just starve you out leaving you and your family totally destitute to die on the barren streets.
The soldiers will find themselves in a situation of feeding themselves and their families. This is why overnight all of them will become instant yes men and follow their orders of militarily subjugating the American population without question.
The cop mindset is the most likely to do that. Their mindset is enforcement, not protection, not defense. Law enforcement officers are far more dangerous to the public even under your circumstance. You forget, military gets housing for themselves and family plus food and medical. The base stores are well stocked and they just have to sign. Any off base personnel will just move on base to conserve money. They can sign for gasoline also if needed. The larger bases have full hospitals and schools for kids. All bases can accomodate needs. Payroll is a benefit that gives extra. Military pay is not that great, its the benefits that count. They will not be hurting should money stop. Cops will and there is the true danger.
I think you are a bit out of date with that. Children throughout the US are being incarcerated with their parents paying fines because the children expressed a “wrong thought” in school or on a bus (or even Facebook).
Realize that in NeoAmerica, police officers can murder someone and only have to worry about what other police officers think about it. They adjudicate their own prosecution. That not only leads directly to a God-complex, but also inspires a negative perspective against civilians, “not us”.