Ray
(Ray)
December 8, 2003, 1:51pm
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Murder is killing without moral justification. Is that a fair distinction?
If so, then the Koran only allows for killing, not murder. Remember, the Koran is a moral code as is the Bible. The morals laid out are different, but they are morals.
Besides, I don’t have time to cite specific verses, but the Bible (OT, very frequently) has plenty of references to smiting the enemies of god.
God himself destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, the Egyptians, as well as the whole of the world (save Noah’s family). The dead had no trial, no appeal, nothing. They were killed. It is only god’s infalibility and omniscience that proved their guilt. In god’s name, Jericho was destroyed and Caananites were driven from their lands and or killed.
If a man insults my mother, he is probably going to have to stand and defend himself and his insult. Now, imagine if someone insulted my god. I’m not religious myself, but I can empathize with the fury of the devout. All of the Koran verses cited above refer to the enemies of god and to the offense their existence and their lack of faith constitute.
I think it was George Carlin who said that the more devout one is, the more one sees “thou shalt not murder” as negotiable (maybe it was “debatable”).
Correct.
The hateful Koran says that not only is killing justified but it is required. The hateful Koran commands Muslims to kill all non-Muslims (Kophrim).
If Adolf Hitler’s Mein Kampf can be considered a “moral code” then I guess I would concede this point.
They are immorals not morals. The immorals are Satanic.
system
(system)
December 8, 2003, 8:10pm
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Ever read Mein Kamf Monk? I think you’d find Adolf a kindred spirit.
Logo
(Logo)
December 8, 2003, 8:14pm
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Wazzup everyone…that was me again
Um no. I am a Zionist Gentile who supports the Jewish people. I am not a Muslim like Hitler.
Logo
(Logo)
December 8, 2003, 8:47pm
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see that’s what makes you so funny; whenever you branch out and actually say things that have never been said before, you just prove your grade-school intelligence all over again. Hitler wasn’t a muslim you pigbrained dildohead.
Ray
(Ray)
December 9, 2003, 12:06pm
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“Immorals” is not a word.
Metavoid
(Metavoid)
December 9, 2003, 3:19pm
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And again;
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By the way Monk, no religion is perfect. Here are some quotes from the Bible
Numbers 31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones.
Deuteronomy 2:34 utterly destroyed the men and the women and the little ones.
Deuteronomy 28:53 And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.
I Samuel 15:3 slay both man and woman, infant and suckling.
2 Kings 8:12 dash their children, and rip up their women with child.
2 Kings 15:16 all the women therein that were with child he ripped up.
Isaiah 13:16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.
Isaiah 13:18 They shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.
Lamentations 2:20 Shall the women eat their fruit, and children.
Ezekiel 9:6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids and little children.
Hosea 9:14 give them a miscarrying womb and dry breasts.
Hosea 13:16 their infants shall be dashed in pieces, and their women with child shall be ripped up.
Hitler’s Muslim SS Totenkopfs
Hitler with his Muslim spiritual advisor
The Muslim Mufti of Jerusalem with the Muslim SS
Hitler’s Elite Muslim Jew Killers
Himmler Inspects His Muslim Army
Metavoid
(Metavoid)
December 9, 2003, 3:42pm
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Warrior Monk, where did you get those pictures? They look like fakes.
P.S.
system
(system)
December 9, 2003, 7:17pm
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Monk you are too stupid for words.
Muhammedan Sword & Swastika
Logo
(Logo)
December 9, 2003, 8:08pm
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That’s it!
When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922
It will at any rate be my supreme task to see to it that in the newly awakened NSDAP, the adherents of both Confessions can live peacefully together side by side in order that they may take their stand in the common fight against the power which is the mortal foe of any true Christianity.
-Adolf Hitler, in an article headed “A New Beginning,” 26 Feb. 1925
Except the Lord built the house they labour in vain… The truth of that text was proved if one looks at the house of which the foundations were laid in 1918 and which since then has been in building… The world will not help, the people must help itself. Its own strength is the source of life. That strength the Almighty has given us to use; that in it and through it we may wage the battle of our life… The others in the past years have not had the blessing of the Almighty-- of Him Who in the last resort, whatever man may do, holds in His hands the final decision. Lord God, let us never hesitate or play the coward, let us never forget the duty which we have taken upon us…
We are all proud that through God’s powerful aid we have become once more true Germans.
-Adolf Hitler, in a speech in March 1933
The Government of the Reich, who regard Christianity as the unshakable foundation of the morals and moral code of the nation, attach the greatest value to friendly relations with the Holy See and are endeavouring to develop them.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the Reichstag on 23 March 1933
And we know that were the great German reformer [Martin Luther] with us to-day he would rejoice to be freed from the necessity of his own time and, like Ulrich von Hutten, his last prayer would be not for the Churches of the separate States: it would be of Germany that he would think and of the Evangelical Church of Germany.
-Adolf Hitler, in his Proclamation at the Parteitag at Nuremberg on 5 Sept. 1934
This Winter Help Work is also in the deepest sense a Christian work. When I see, as I so often do, poorly clad girls collecting with such infinite patience in order to care for those who are suffering from the cold while they themselves are shivering with cold, then I have the feeling that they are all apostles of a Christianity-- and in truth of a Christianity which can say with greater right than any other: This is the Christianity of an honest confession, for behind it stand not words but deeds.
-Adolf Hitler, speaking of the Winter Help Campaign on 5 Oct. 1937
If positive Christianity means love of one’s neighbour, i.e. the tending of the sick, the clothing of the poor, the feeding of the hungry, the giving of drink to those who are thirsty, then it is we who are the more positive Christians. For in these spheres the community of the people of National Socialist Germany has accomplished a prodigious work.
-Adolf Hitler, in his speech to the “Old Guard” at Munich on 24 Feb. 1939
A kindred spirit Monk, as I said.
Hitler was a Satanist who allied himself with the Muslims and exterminated Christians and Jews.
Only a fool would buy into his pro-Christian (pro-Jewish) propaganda.
Oh wait I forgot…nevermind.
Logo
(Logo)
December 9, 2003, 9:18pm
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Hitler’s pro-Jewish propaganda? You really need therapy, Monk.
Point is, he espoused Christianity, not Islam–and his employment of both Muslims and Christians in his military campaigns doesn’t change that fact. What makes you more a Christian than him?
I mean lets take another look at some of the Christ-like things you’ve said:
They would easily be convicted of this in court with Ann Coulter, Chaim Ben Pesach, David Horowitz, Dinesh D’Souza, and myself as witnesses. The traitors would be sentenced to death, shot in the back of the head without remorse, and buried without funeral or honors – food for worms and bacteria.
I do love him, but he’s trying to justify murder, immorality, and sin. May Jesus Christ damn him to hell.
No Monk, I don’t think Hitler was a true Christian, any more than you are. But that doesn’t make either of you Muslim