An infinite intellect, could be something like this…

This is not the same as an ‘infinite mind’, which for me is stateless and empty [like nirvana]. This is a possible universal extension to that, or something else entirely.

An infinite intellect, could be something like this…

In your consciousness there is an experiencer, here I wont be arguing weather or not it is of the brain ~ that’s a different debate, so I will just go straight to a set of positive assumptions.

Intellect involves recognition
Analogously we could see this as like recording info onto tape or another recording device. Here the tape is something non-physical and it is that which knows the info imprinted upon it neuronally or by any means.

An infinite intellect
The above ability is not made, it occurs prior to anything being imprinted upon it, just as you have to have the recording device prior to making a recording.
Being non-physical it does not exist in space and time nor is particular to any existential dimensions. It is not energy nor matter.

It is unlimited ~ infinite, non-spatial yet omnipresent [it is not particularly anywhere].

So now we have arrived at an infinite ability to recognise and record ~ all-in-one.
All spatial entities and all informations are in the infinite space generally though not particularly.
Ergo an infinite intellect can know everything at once.

Infinite thought
We think particular thoughts in small numbers, we focus the mind ~ perception upon those few things, usually one object at a time depending on how focused our attention is. The infinite intellect can only think all thoughts at once. Each of our thoughts are composed of informational sets of relationships, which we ‘compose’ into an thought object.

The infinite thought is composed of the infinite set of relationships, which means they are not the same relationships between informations as our compositions are. Indeed information itself is reliant upon the sets of relationships between things which compose the thought object, so a different set of informational relationships make for a different thought object.

Thus the infinite intellect does not share our thoughts, nor are we part of its thoughts. There is a completely different set of informational relationships in an infinite thought object ~ if they even are objects et al!
If we consider my ‘uncased rule’ [added below [from the no causality thread]], we may get a hint of the non-object fluid-like nature of infinite thought, at least in the comparison of the existential universal observer.

Essentially the information-relationship sets are never complete, as like our thoughts, they continually transform from one approximate group to the next.


The uncaused rule

There is a lump of clay, I take possession of it and it is manipulated into that shape [of my action upon it]. I have caused a change to the clay, but have not cause the clay to previously exist.
Now my action upon the clay itself becomes a clay.
…and so on and so forth.

I take hold of a gun and fire it at the target, one would make the assumption that perhaps the point where the gunpowder is ignited is the cause, and when it hit’s the target that’s the effect. I have not cause the gun nor the target, in fact nothing I have done has made that effect, the target is distinct from my actions and that of the gun, until it is hit by the bullet.

Where then do we place the beginning and end points, are they not arbitrary, assumed or indeed do they not actually exist. Really the wider the angle of our perspective the lesser the cardinality of the events. We could keep extending to what made the gun and the machine which made the gun, and that of the targets on a seemingly different deterministic line.

The ‘uncaused rule’ as thus described, may be endlessly attributed and reiterated, and in every instance or set of instances, until eventually we arrive at the universal set. Now everything is within the context of the single motion, as if like in our minds considered as the full view, the full perspective. Here as in our minds eye we cannot find the edges, the full and universal set cannot be arrived at, as we also apply the ‘uncaused’ rule to it.

So we have an unyielding search cast across the universe and across relativistic time, we are trying to find the universal set. We fail and so we begin the search once more [like ‘moments’ of time], yet the perceiver* itself is subject to the uncaused rule; there is no search a then search b, the moment merely drifts along. The search attempts to derive from and to move to every point, and from the unfound whole.

Its all just one fluid motion gracefully flowing along, passively, and without teleology.

Such is the river, so is the truth.


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I Iike your logic but the uncaused rule about the gun and the target seems a bit…

I mean, the target is apart of your actions because it is where you intent on aiming. It plays a part but just because you haven’t hit it yet doesn’t mean it has no part. Wouldn’t that just be error on said humans part for not being a good shooter. What sense does it make to have a target but have no intention on hitting it then why have a target at all?

Cause has nothing to do with actions but the intent (the thought) maybe action has an effect in a controlled situation.

I think our minds have ends to our thoughts because of age.
Idea’s we have as children peek before we mature or things we thought about seven years ago get forgotten. We satisfy our ideas with answers or figure out our own.
Though we make connections that seem to never end, once we pull away from that original idea the next idea becomes one all on its own. That first stem ended while something all on its own grew from it. Kind of like a tree just because there are little branches growing off of the larger ones doesn’t make them their own branch.

hi [outside]

that’s true, in that case I was considering the causal line between the target and the gun; that a human was involved was irrelevant in that respect ~ but I take your point.

that’s a very fundamental and important point!
And I don’t think it’s a lack just in memory, but that memory has that lacking due to an intrinsic value of reality.

Hmmm… Your right, I was only taking it into a memory base view.
Ok, going behind reality would be a dream based, that thoughts that couldn’t be satisfied in a wake reality
would have to be continued in a dream based wake so there could be an infinite to it.

However, how common is it to have the same dream twice…all though we do have deja vu even in dreams.

There could be no end to thought as cast across reality, that some individualised mind is considering some thoughts as belonging to the class of thought known to it as dreams, and another class of thoughts as reality, is our box? Reality itself is uncontained!

How about in death?
Doesn’t it have to end there?

I’d say that’s where it begins. [perhaps thought doesnt know what death is ~ how could it?]
Hmm well not linguistic or conceptual thought perhaps, but ‘pure thought’, which for me is the base level of reality and it connects all the dots - so to speak. The divine infinite.

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I like that but reverse it… seeing it from the birthing process.

We come from a kind of “death” from where we start then are created
so would you say we begin thoughts that first instant?
Are the physical sense of what a brain is needed for these
divine thoughts?
Or is it just beyond like when a mother knows what her
child needs or feels without words. (would these thoughts apply to that)

Well I just think that, to thought, death doesn’t exist. [how can it know death, it can only observe it in others]
One line of thought I have is that the life-form exists and consciousness is an emergent property, derived of both that and the divine base.
Another is that it would make sense if experienced consciousnesses were re-used [reincarnated].
My spiritual experience is that the spiritual being is the natural state, and not that the human form is.
If life were a book then all things come into being as and when required.

I feel that intuition can be neuronal and from our DNA, but that’s more instinct. I think there is an intuition where the mind connects to the base spirit. Not sure if that’s a mother-child intuition as I am not a female, but I think for me it works on the inventive and philosophical level, I simply ask questions and the answers arrive by various means ~ usually in the night.

That one realization is amazing… :smiley:

So before everything begins to develop there is just thought…
A baby is born and all it can do is return to this same thought.

Lol, Its becoming harder to dispute your concepts
even harder when so much of my thoughts revolve
around my beliefs.

I guess, I must agree on all accounts.

Not exactly, a baby starts thinking as soon as its neurons develop.
As I see it the infants thoughts would be a bit blurry, its like when its born and opens its eyes for the first time it cant see, it can see, but it doesn’t know what it is seeing, hence its first image is a blur. Similarly the general thoughts would be something of a blur and mostly just thought rather than ‘thoughts’ in any cognitive sense we’d understand. There’s a similar thing in deep meditation.

I don’t know what beliefs have to do with any of it, I understand faith in adults; one cannot know the divine infinite in an ordinary way, if I said it was this word or that, or any collection of words/meanings, I’d be talkin’ small, there’s no way I could be describing something so vast and fluid.
…but I can know it for what it is.

I couldn’t describe the night sky but I know what it is as an entirety.

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…but that’s not belief, its another kind of knowledge.

What I mean is what I believe ties into my very being.
When you say Divine infinite my thoughts goes to my belief in a
higher power.

However, I enjoyed your statement about a baby mindset.

This is where I have a problem with the notion of God; the absolute, as this is something surely distinct from our being.

The divine infinite known as ‘caugant’ [French term for it] in druidry, for me is kind of like space, everything sits in it. As such it is part of our being and everything.
It is said that the concept occurred as Christianity met druidry between 3-5th C, it was a way for the Celts to conceive what god was in some way similar to their nature spirituality.

With that point I can not argue,
I can admit I am not the proper
person to argue on the behave
of God because my words wouldn’t
do him justice.

But your point is valid.

True words in all cases I’d say. :wink:
I had wondered if the whole problem has been in the way others have described god, if we give the definition of the absolute then we limit God to that, and in doing so separate him from us.
God surely is unlimited and at least with that definition he cannot be separated from us.

Naturally one could go on to say that; if god is unlimited then he is within Satan, and we are god, along with all manner of nonsense.
This is where interpretation is simply unintelligent.

It is unwise - if I may, to state; God is specifically x, or x,y,z. any notion of him should be interpretative.

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I am trying my best to avoid this debate.
Lol, Cause in the end usually no is satisfied by
both parties answers.

No or yes, depends upon the level of honesty.
…but I understand if you don’t wish to continue, we probably said everything to be said in our conversation here anyway.
:slight_smile:

I agree