an uncomfortable truth

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As is well known, I hold a “certain” place here on ILP…
that I am ignored, indeed, some have place me on ignored…
but the question arises, to why? Why is Kropotkin so disliked
on ILP? After some pondering, I may have some answers…

I am disliked because I actually stand for something and to the
many on ILP who actually don’t stand for anything, they feel guilty
in realizing that they don’t stand for anything…so I ask you…
what do you stand for?

Many, many around here oppose me and my values, but to a person,
they are unable to state what they stand for…for example,
several here call me a “commie” suggesting that they oppose me,
but two things, first of all, what values do I hold that makes me
a communist? and secondly, what values do you hold that
opposes ‘‘communism’’?

If I am wrong, then what values are the ‘‘right’’ values?
IF you are against me, then what values do you hold that
are ‘‘superior’’ to my values? If I were to be ‘‘reeducated’’,
what values should I hold?

So what I am suggesting, well, more than just suggesting,
I am flat out saying that those who oppose me, don’t
actually stand for anything. They proclaim to all who will read them
that I am wrong, OK, if I am wrong, then what values should we hold?
YOU never hear UR or Observe or even gLOOM say what values are
the values that we should hold… they just say Kropotkin is wrong…
with the ever-present insult, “commie” which they leave without ever
defining what a “commie” is…and why that is wrong… so if this “commie” is
wrong, then what are the right values?

Let us take as an example, UR… he quite often proclaims how I am
a “commie” ok, if I am wrong, then what values should I hold?
UR has absolutely no idea because he doesn’t actually have any values…
he stands for nothing… which is why it is easy for him to fall for
the latest conspiracy theory… those conspiracy theories replace
the values he should be holding… in other words, he holds conspiracy
theories because he doesn’t stand for anything else… there are no values
worth holding, just conspiracy theories…

So, I ask you dear reader… what values do you hold and why those values?

if you are honestly unable to tell me what values you hold and why those values,
then how do you know that I am wrong? I have proclaimed dozens of times
the values I hold, Justice/equality, love, peace, charity, cooperation,
and I have called these values, higher values… values which make us
become more human, not less… values like hate, violence, anger, lust,
are lower values, they are animal values… and as Nietzsche said, we
are traveling between being animal and becoming human…
once, a long time ago, we were animals, no different than dogs or cats
or mice… and somehow, perhaps by holding values, we began the long,
still ongoing journey of going from animal to becoming human, fully human…

it is by our values that we make the journey from animal to human.

so, once again, tell me your values that make you human?
Don’t tell me I am wrong, tell why I am wrong and what values
I should hold to, to be “right”.

It is not in our daily activities of working and eating and shitting
and fucking that make us human, for all animals do that,
it is by holding values that make us human, so what values should
we hold to make us even more human?

Kropotkin

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Is the uncomfortable truth that you’re awesome?

You’re not. I’m not uncomfortable saying that.

You’re a baby-man that others have to use wipes to wipe off your shit.

You may be awesome someday. But not now.

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I think a lot of people stand for things here on the FOrum
Mostly it makes them look stupid like football supporter who thinks their team great. When it loses the match it is always because the referee is wrong or the other team cheated.
He thinks his team is the best in the world, yet fails to win the cup.
Or such a person is like the patriot, who thinks his country is the best in the world, yet does not even own a passport and whose only evidence of other counties is Fox News.

SO what do you stand for?

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Peter Kropotkin:
if you are honestly unable to tell me what values you hold and why those values,
then how do you know that I am wrong? I have proclaimed dozens of times
the values I hold, Justice/equality, love, peace, charity, cooperation,
and I have called these values, higher values… values which make us
become more human, not less… values like hate, violence, anger, lust,
are lower values, they are animal values… and as Nietzsche said, we
are traveling between being animal and becoming human…

These are some of the values I stand for…

Kropotkin

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I did not say you were wrong.
I said “Many people on the Forum” stood up for something, which you seems to imply was your preserve.
I suggest that it is not only you.
When you hold a value you are not “right or wrong”; you are presenting a value judgement.
If once you have procalimed those values and you argue against them - THEN you would be wrong.
For example Uxwrongx1000 pretends ot hold tha value of “freedom” but denies it to refugees. That makes him wrong.

One or two in the forum calim to be Christians, but espouse thoughts that would have made Jesus chuck up with breakfast. In those cases they are wrong…

As it goes I pretty much share your values.

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There are many things I don’t share about Peters values:

1.) the bicameral mind (which makes him a nihilist - like iambiguous)
2.) being married / having sex
3.) walls of text that he thinks is not rude

I read all those walls of text. It’s rude to do that to us.

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it is not enough, not enough for us to
have an engagement with our values, we have
to put those values into practice…
for that is the second part of this,
to hold values and then to live out those values…
to practice those values as a way of life…

the second part is I hold that arguing against one values
is a great way to explore those values…
to truly understand a values, argue against those values…
for example, I have often written threads opposing values of mine,
thus I have attacked liberalism, I have attack democrats, I have
attacked communism, I have attacked anarchism…
values at one time or another I have held or currently hold…

“it is not enough for us to hold our beliefs,
we must have the courage for an attack upon our beliefs”

thus spoke Nietzsche…

do you have the courage for an attack upon your beliefs?

and the first step then is to establish what exactly are one’s beliefs…
then and only then can we proceed as Nietzsche suggested…

Kropotkin

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Beleiving in the bicameral mind cannot make you a nihilist. You might be judged a racist though.
If you accept the idea of natural selection you would have to accept that Jane’s bicameral mind emerged from Greece and spread outwards through the white population. This would have to imply that Black, oriental, Asian people did not have a bicameral mind.
How do you link nihilism?

IN what way do you diagree? Are you celibate and single?

I’ve no idea what you are talking about.
I’m not sure you do.

If you read a wall of text that is your responsibility.

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You can attack my beliefs as much as you like, but I do not have them.
There is stuff I know - I’m happy to discuss those.
And there are things such as value I aspire to - but they are not what I can beliefs.

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Peter Kropotkin: it is not enough, not enough for us to
have an engagement with our values, we have
to put those values into practice…
for that is the second part of this,
to hold values and then to live out those values…
to practice those values as a way of life…

the second part is I hold that arguing against one values
is a great way to explore those values…
to truly understand a values, argue against those values…
for example, I have often written threads opposing values of mine,
thus I have attacked liberalism, I have attack democrats, I have
attacked communism, I have attacked anarchism…
values at one time or another I have held or currently hold…

“it is not enough for us to hold our beliefs,
we must have the courage for an attack upon our beliefs”

thus spoke Nietzsche…

do you have the courage for an attack upon your beliefs?

and the first step then is to establish what exactly are one’s beliefs…
then and only then can we proceed as Nietzsche suggested…

Sc: You can attack my beliefs as much as you like, but I do not have them.
There is stuff I know - I’m happy to discuss those.
And there are things such as value I aspire to - but they are not what I can beliefs.
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K: my post wasn’t direct to you or ec or anyone else for that matter,
it was a general post to further my own understanding of existence…
If I was thinking of you, I would have name you… I am rather direct that
way… sorry if my post misled you…

Kropotkin

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Yes definitely a racist concept, no doubt.
If Jayne is correct the brain evolved self consciousness circa 2kbp in the east mediterranean, which would mean only the desendants of the Greeks and Jews, whom he named in their oral literature, who were lucky enough to achieve this mutation would have had this evolutionary innovation passed to them.

This would entail Africans, Australian aboriginees, all of Asian and all of Southern American native populations devoid of true conscious self awareness.

To argue that the “breakdown” of the Bicameral mind was somehow universal would be to also argue against the most ordinary principles of evolution and inheritability. So take your choice; Racist with Darwinism; or Not Racist withought it.