Analysis of the Concept of Consciousness

I spit on Advaita Vedanta (spoken in a harsh Arabic accent :laughing:). Just kidding.

Anyway, tell me, what possible reason would there be for the existence of anything whatsoever if the so-called ā€œillusionā€ of the multiplicity of minds and their accompanying agents did not exist?

You say that minds are a ā€œā€¦projection of consciousnessā€¦ā€
Well, tell me, then, what is it that initially imbued this nebulous term ā€œconsciousnessā€ with the impetus, and will, and creative ability to project minds?

They donā€™t know, and they donā€™t care. This is their religion and their weird therapy session. Not an exercise in rational thought or logical deduction.

Reminds me of Jesus saying stuff like John 14:20, 15:4, 17:23-26.

But the unity implies distinctness, and distinctness implies unity.

What is ā€œnutsā€ is a person living in 2024, relying on the body of knowledge that has been gained since Kant, calling someone who was poineering into philosophy ā€œnuts.ā€

I suppose this is the arrogance of late-born, whose dependency upon their predecessor should evoke humility, but doesnā€™t.

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I have some respect for Kant, but the fact remains that the last 250 years of philosophy he pioneered was a dead end from the start. And yet many people worship him even today.

And I didnā€™t call Kant nuts, on the contrary, he could have been quite deliberate with his deception.

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Kant might have been thinking: hmm we have these the rationalist and empiricist views, and I could bring them together in a few different ways. Naturally, what would make by far the most sense would be the representationalism/indirect perception view, but I wonā€™t be doing that one. Iā€™ll destroy objective reality instead, and these fools will love it.

Now why did he choose that one?

Ignorance

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Huh?

Would you please elaborate on that?

One idea is that the universal consciousness (the world, all existence) is playing hide-and-seek with itself. It plays the game of forgetting who/what it is, and then through us humans and other sentient beings, which are also parts of the universal consciousness, it finds itself again, remembers who/what it is.

Actually I like this metaphysics more than most, and it cointains grains of truth, but overall see no evidence for it.

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Most of us donā€™t know who or what we really are. We have forgotten. Or, the human mind has not evolved to the point where it can comprehend clearly itā€™s origins. We have creation myths like the Big Bang. Consciousness has the innate capacity to create worlds. Analogously we create computer games. Physicist John Wheeler introduced the slogan ā€œit from bitā€. ā€œEvery physical quantity, every it, derives its ultimate significance from bits, binary yes-and-no indications, a conclusion which we epitomize in the phrase, it from bit. He ties it to the idea that the universe is participatory, fundamentally involving the participation of observers. Observations are of course states of consciousness. (Chalmers)

As I have said before, the universe viewed dualistically, consciousness is the ground of being. As such it is inexplicable. Everything must be explained in terms of it. Etiological questions like ā€œwhy?ā€ proceed from it and thus are presupposed by it. Therefore, with respect to the being of being, the question ā€œWhyā€ is unanswerable. Nevertheless, the fact that the question persists points to its existential origins. It is a basic need.

That you see know evidence of it is telling. The phenomenal nature of your body and mind are the evidence of it. Your sitting in it, so to speak.

But again, to me that ā€œjustā€ shows that we are one with the ground of being, and it is phenomenal. The grains of truth I mentioned.

But I donā€™t see the evidence that it is a universal ā€œbeingā€, or that itā€™s playing hide-and-seek with itself.

ā€œItā€ is you. How do you see yourself?

Youā€™ll have to be more specific. If youā€™re identifying your ā€˜Iā€™ with the universal consciousness, then again I see no evidence that you arenā€™t still caught in another ego-trap.

That misconception is possible. But, neither should you confuse your subjectivity with your body or mind as is commonly done.

Except there are two kinds of subjectivities: 1. the subjectivity of the human body/mind and 2. the first-person view of the ground of being (the ā€˜itā€™).

Sorry, I accidently hit reply before finishing post. See next attempteā€¦

According to a dualistic perspective, which, according to a nondual perspective, is an illusion.

No, Iā€™m talking about a nondual perspective.

And yet you have two real points of view. Thatā€™s paradoxical if not self-contradictory.