"Anarchy" in new orleans

I dunno about nayone here but is it 20x worse when civilization crumbles in an area (such as new orleans) then it is when you got refugee situations going on in africa and the middle east. Doesnt it just seem like these people are going absolutley nuts?? Shooting at helicopters, shooting at police, hijacking old people busses and from the sounds of it people are just pissin and pooing everywhere just to make one big mess. Just goes to show ya how bad people like their comfortable lives with their tv’s and microwavable dinners.

I have been there a variety of times. It’s a great town and then again it’s not.

There is a lot of wealth and tourism there, but then again there are a lot of super poor people. I have never seen so many black people begging in the streets as I have seen there. There are a large number of extremely dangerous housing project areas right outside of the area.

My favorite psychologist Alfred Adler pointed out that crime is very bad in cities were there is a vast difference between rich and poor. The poor look at the rich in envy and then go crazy when the opportunity presents itself. That’s what’s going on there.

Meanwhile, I can’t figure out why they are shooting at copters and whatnot. My bet is that some kind of religious stuff is going on.

On the 30th of August, inmates at a hurricane-ravaged prison escaped and took hostages… step right up folks, read all about it…

abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio … id=3398521

guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/s … 57,00.html

The veneer of civilization is very thin in some places. Almost an illusion in The Big Easy, it would seem.

It would be in fact scarey if this happened on a national scale. What I would call, Enviromental Anarchy, could shake the nation down to it’s bones, and then break those bones.

Think about it, hurricanes sweeping across not just the Gulf, but the East Coast as well, flooding the entire coastline. Meanwhile, we’d have earthquakes all along the San Andreas Faultline wrecking all kinds of havoc on the west coast. Of course, we would also have mass tornados obliterating Middle America. The combined damage would result in a mass national anarchy that would finally make the people question their governing authorities enough to shut them down.

The only places that would still have American Order written on them would be spheres of influence littered around the world in the forms of embassies and military bases.

As much as you may like your idea it would never work because lets face it there are more people in this country that have reasoning capacity to understand that the goverment has nothing to do with what has happened and that they don’t have enough resources to cope with the devistation. So really the only people that would attempt to overthrow the national goverment would be poor people and socialist type people, you know the people that expect the goverment to wipe their ass. So if any anarchy happened wide scale it would be large cities, the westeren coast and the northren states leaving the rest of the country behind to uphold the ideas of America. Think red and blue states.

As much as you may think I didn’t know that, I did.

A definate Lord of the Flies situation going on down there…

But did the Hurricane merely trigger something that had been brewing for a long time (black/white, rich/poor, etc.) like how the Rodney King verdict sparked the LA riots, or is this just desperate people acting in desperate times?

Part of the problem is that the civilian population is armed. I understand that in New Orleans this past week, those without guns could just break into Wal-Mart and get guns from there. It is time to repeal the second amendment and disarm the population.

Of course civilisation could still fall apart rapidly without guns, but it would fall apart in a less harmful way. And it might not fall apart so quickly, because unarmed people are not so confident that they can get away with misbehaviour.

Great, Rich- blame the tool, not the user. :confused: It’s sad to see such ignorance darkening the site.

On second thought, perhaps you’re right- except that I think we should repeal the 1st Amendment, too. Any takers?

I take it this is the argument that guns don’t kill people, people kill people. But both a gun and a person holding it are necessary for one person to shoot another, so you can stop the shooting by removing either condition - eg take away the guns. People can of course kill people using means other than firearms, but that is harder and/or takes longer than shooting.

I would not confuse the noble principle behind the first amendment with the deplorable thug mentality that focuses only on the “right to keep and bear arms” part of the second amendment. It might not be so bad if people paid attention to the words “a well-regulated militia”, which clearly give the justification for the right to keep and bear arms - a justification that has no application today.

you’re posting from England. We don’t really care about your european opinion about our constitution.

Hi Hermes

I think this is the first ad patriam argument I have seen on the forum. It makes a change from ad hominem.

You could of course discuss the views expressed, without reference to facts about the author.

Living in an area that saw some of the storm (fortunately for me it wasn’t as bad as what New orleans and co. received) I can tell you firsthand that the initial response (as far as relief goes) was, well, a joke. At least for the first couple of days. And mind you, this is an area that wasn’t as badly damaged.

But at least the state of Alabama has its priorities straight. In a county where a majority of public schools were damaged in some form or another, the state has mandated that high school football games must continue, even if the schools that the various teams represent cannot function.

Anyway, as to what might have contributed to the chaos in New orleans (and Southern Mississippi) ((not as bad, but they are having a problem with looting also)) I would add that the government’s poor response (both National and state level) has something to do with it.


Sad to see how primative and how evil people really are.


What I got from all of this is that our society is a very fragile network of securities and when something two things happen.
1- people panic, an example would be everyone who filled every container they had with gas because there afraid that there wouldn’t be any.
2- people take advantage of a bad situation, an example would be the looters.
I am the very small third group I saw it coming and I prepared before anyone panicked. As bad as this situation has been if you step back and look at it in an omniscient kind of way. it’s kind of intresting to see what people when you remove them from their saftey net. Some people look for comfort in others and some people say the world is going to hell and I’m apart of it. I mean it’s just kind of intresting because disaster is the ultimate test for human character.


The transcript of mayor Ray Nagin’s interview with a radio station. This is the quote I am refering to if anyone doesn’t want to take the time to read the whole thing.

"And one of the things people – nobody’s talked about this. Drugs flowed in and out of New Orleans and the surrounding metropolitan area so freely it was scary to me, and that’s why we were having the escalation in murders. People don’t want to talk about this, but I’m going to talk about it.

You have drug addicts that are now walking around this city looking for a fix, and that’s the reason why they were breaking in hospitals and drugstores. They’re looking for something to take the edge off of their jones, if you will.

And right now, they don’t have anything to take the edge off. And they’ve probably found guns. So what you’re seeing is drug-starving crazy addicts, drug addicts, that are wrecking havoc. And we don’t have the manpower to adequately deal with it. We can only target certain sections of the city and form a perimeter around them and hope to God that we’re not overrun."

The sad part about this, and this is the media for you, is I have heard a portion, the same portion of this interview played over and over again from at least 3 sources. CNN, FOX, NPR, and thats only what I’ve heard, as I’m sure the rest of the conglomerates have utilized his words just as equally, but not one of them, to my knowledge has said one thing about the number of drug addicts in New Orleans for the reason why people were assualting hospitals and ambulences, drug stores pharmacies whatever ect. It may not answer your question directly adlerian, but it sure gives you something to think about.


But at least the state of Alabama has its priorities straight. In a county where a majority of public schools were damaged in some form or another, the state has mandated that high school football games must continue, even if the schools that the various teams represent cannot function.

Alright, ha ha. Let’s laugh at Alabama. (assholes.)