# Anarchy
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605
**Category:** Society, Government, and Economics
**Created:** [November 28, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605 "2016-11-28T15:49:05Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Magnus\_Anderson](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Magnus_Anderson)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2016, 12:21pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/21 "2016-12-02T12:21:50Z")
> [@MagsJ](#):
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> > [@Magnus Anderson](#):
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> > Maniacal Mongoose can do whatever she wants in her free time means “I do not care who she is so as long she spreads her legs for me”.
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> > Genetic types no longer preserved. Only happiness and peace are preserved.
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> > Joker is happy so as long he can pound Mongoose.
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> That’s their personal relationship, which is none of your business.
Objection. It reveals their state of mind, the manner in which they govern themselves and their relationships. Quite relevant.
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### Author:  [@Ultimate\_Philosophy](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ultimate_Philosophy)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2016, 12:26pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/22 "2016-12-02T12:26:09Z")
> [@AutSider](#):
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> HaHaHa isn’t an anarchist. He simply wants more power for himself and dislikes others imposing their power upon him.
True lol
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### Author:  [@Magnus\_Anderson](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Magnus_Anderson)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2016, 5:22pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/23 "2016-12-02T17:22:44Z")
HaHaHa does not want power, he wants peace. He wants to put an end to his unbearable self. The kind of power he wants is a means towards destruction of his painful self and whatever reminds him of it.
Anarchy means lack of coordination between elements (e.g. instincts, people, social groups.)
HaHaHa has no control over his instincts – there is no will guiding them – so his very own body is a kind of anarchy. A biological order that is decentralized, meaning, without a center (= will.)
This is why he has a preference for social anarchy.
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### Author:  [@Magnus\_Anderson](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Magnus_Anderson)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2016, 6:01pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/24 "2016-12-02T18:01:25Z")
The quest for power starts with consolidation of power over oneself. This often involves, and manifests by, giving up on external control. By relaxing external control one is strengthening internal control which is very important in those situations when loss of some sort of control is inevitable. It is better to hold your ground but lose your life than to preserve your life but lose your ground. This process appears to the shallow as if decentralization is taking place. The exterior of the core weakens and so they assume that the center has been lost. But this not the case. In fact, the opposite is true. By weakening the exterior of the center, the interior of the center is strengthened. They make the same mistake when they refer to every strengthening of an exterior as a process of centralization. What appears to be a centralized government, for example, may in actuality be a decentralized body. We know that the over-emphasis on the exterior, what is known as posturing, is in actuality a symptom of decentralization, of weakening of the center.
HaHaHa has no interest in strengthening his center, therefore, no genuine interest in power.
He has no right to speak of autonomy. Though he can continue to speak of freedom, freedom being slavish value, understood as freedom from restrictions/limits/burden.
His approach is clearly top-down: starting with top, sky, exterior, more and moving toward bottom, earth, interior, less.
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### Author:  [@MagsJ](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MagsJ)
#### Post date: [December 2, 2016, 7:10pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/25 "2016-12-02T19:10:25Z")
> [@Magnus Anderson](#):
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> Objection. It reveals their state of mind, the manner in which they govern themselves and their relationships. Quite relevant.
Objection noted but not justifiable… consider the matter over.
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### Author:  [@Mictlantecuhtli](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mictlantecuhtli)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 6:14am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/26 "2016-12-04T06:14:19Z")
> [@Mr Reasonable](#):
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> Magnus, I think it would be healthy for you if in real life you spent a little time getting beaten up by people in your city. Just go to places where people don’t like you and then act like an asshole until some people beat you up. Make that your routine for a while. I think with where you are emotionally, that it would be healthy for you.
He’s a socially isolated basement dweller. They don’t go out and fraternize with others.
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### Author:  [@Mictlantecuhtli](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mictlantecuhtli)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 6:17am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/27 "2016-12-04T06:17:09Z")
> [@AutSider](#):
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> There is no such thing as anarchy. The word “anarchy” denotes a state of no hierarchy, which is to say, a state of equality. There is no such state in reality, as there are no 2 things which are equal.
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> You people fail at basic terminology. There are no anarchists. HaHaHa isn’t an anarchist. He simply wants more power for himself and dislikes others imposing their power upon him.
Anarchy doesn’t mean no hierarchy. These are lies, propaganda, and falsities spread by Marxists along with other government propagandists.
It’s time to readdress the controlled terminology concerning anarchism or self autonomy.
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### Author:  [@Mictlantecuhtli](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mictlantecuhtli)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 6:26am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/28 "2016-12-04T06:26:10Z")
> [@Mr Reasonable](#):
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> Anarchy is something that you’re supposed to stop thinking about altogether by the time you hit puberty.
It’s funny how most of humanity doesn’t grow out of adolescence viewing government as some sort of benevolent parental or paternal figure in a semi divine god like manner. Such a view comes from a child like mental infancy.
In other words, you’re one to talk chump.
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### Author:  [@Mictlantecuhtli](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mictlantecuhtli)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 6:34am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/29 "2016-12-04T06:34:11Z")
> [@Magnus Anderson](#):
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> > [@HaHaHa](#):
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> > > [@Magnus Anderson](#):
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> > > You are merely revealing you are a devoted follower of modern trends. A modern man no doubt you are.
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> > > Lying to yourself in order to calm yourself down. Thus no substance to your statements.
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> > At least I don’t live at home with mommy.
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> That’s what you don’t get. It’s better to live with your family – indeed, it is natural to do so – than to be a slave to social trends. The latter means you have no character, no strength to resist social pressure, whereas the former may mean that you were born into a healthy family.
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> It’s much more embarrassing to be an anarchist than to live with your mother.
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> The modern trend of separating from your family is degenerate. A symptom of self-hatred.
Your mother’s basement is your safe space, isn’t it?
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### Author:  [@Mictlantecuhtli](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mictlantecuhtli)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 6:37am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/30 "2016-12-04T06:37:04Z")
> [@Ultimate Philosophy 1001](#):
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> > [@AutSider](#):
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> > HaHaHa isn’t an anarchist. He simply wants more power for himself and dislikes others imposing their power upon him.
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> True lol
I want authentic genuine true power that one builds for themselves and anybody that authentically does this for themselves naturally shun away others trying to impose their collective will onto them.
I mean, how hard is this to understand folks?
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### Author:  [@Mictlantecuhtli](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mictlantecuhtli)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 7:29am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/31 "2016-12-04T07:29:55Z")
Everybody likes to bash on anarchists especially government supporters, now it’s my turn.
There is nothing more irritating than some sniveling moron espousing the virtues of a paternal government or state suckling its political clout like a infant child suckling on its mother’s tit incapable of understanding life and existence beyond this patronising relationship.
“You need government!”
“You can’t exist without a centralized government or authority!”
“Big mommy government take care and protect me always!”
“Mommy government exists to take care of all my wants and needs!”
“I can’t make any independent decision unless mommy government is first consoled.”
“I can’t imagine what life would be like without mommy government around in the background.”
“Mommy government makes all my decisions for me where I don’t have to make any for myself.”
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### Author:  [@Mictlantecuhtli](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Mictlantecuhtli)
#### Post date: [December 4, 2016, 8:10am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/32 "2016-12-04T08:10:27Z")
> [@Magnus Anderson](#):
>
> The quest for power starts with consolidation of power over oneself. This often involves, and manifests by, giving up on external control. By relaxing external control one is strengthening internal control which is very important in those situations when loss of some sort of control is inevitable. It is better to hold your ground but lose your life than to preserve your life but lose your ground. This process appears to the shallow as if decentralization is taking place. The exterior of the core weakens and so they assume that the center has been lost. But this not the case. In fact, the opposite is true. By weakening the exterior of the center, the interior of the center is strengthened. They make the same mistake when they refer to every strengthening of an exterior as a process of centralization. What appears to be a centralized government, for example, may in actuality be a decentralized body. We know that the over-emphasis on the exterior, what is known as posturing, is in actuality a symptom of decentralization, of weakening of the center.
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> HaHaHa has no interest in strengthening his center, therefore, no genuine interest in power.
>
> He has no right to speak of autonomy. Though he can continue to speak of freedom, freedom being slavish value, understood as freedom from restrictions/limits/burden.
>
> His approach is clearly top-down: starting with top, sky, exterior, more and moving toward bottom, earth, interior, less.
There are all different kinds of power and unlike a centralized power, government, or authority I don’t need to rely on delightful fictional scripts to acquire it. That’s the inherent weakness of centralized power structures.
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### Author:  [@Magnus\_Anderson](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Magnus_Anderson)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 1:22am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/33 "2016-12-05T01:22:01Z")
There is no such a thing as self-autonomy. Auto-nomy already means self-rule. When you put self in front of it, you get self-self-rule, which makes no sense.
An-archy means “without leader”. When applied more generally, it denotes a lack of organization between elements. When applied specifically to social organizations, it denotes a lack of organization between social groups. Nothing is ever implied by this term regarding the structure of the organized elements themselves. They may or may not be lacking in organization.
There is no point in denying it.
Anarchy denotes a lack of organization between social groups under a single authority. This means no hierarchy on the level of large social groups.
You appear to be suffering from paranoia. You appear to think that I am a propagandist who is out to trick you into submitting to my authority.
Let me assure you that:
1. noone is trying to trick you into submission
2. noone is trying to trick you into submitting to authority that denies your own self
3. noone is claiming that a self-denying submission to authority is a positive
In fact, noone is speaking of submission.
The question is not whether submission to authority is good or bad but whether choosing to leave your environment unorganized is good or bad.
Your preference for anarchy is a preference for allowing certain things, such as for example social groups, to remain unorganized.
My question is: why would anyone prefer to leave certain things unorganized?
There is only one sane reason for leaving certain things unorganized: because they are out of your reach, out of your control, out of your power. But that is not the same as desiring that they remain as such. That’s a necessity, not a preference.
Why would you not want to subordinate other social groups to your own social group? Why would you not want to expand your empire?
It makes sense that you do not want to be subordinated to others in a manner that will deny your self. But it makes no sense that you do not want to subordinate others to yourself – to organize your environment.
The only sane reason for speaking of preference for leaving certain things unorganized is propaganda the purpose of which is to trick others into thinking that no-organization is better than organization such that every possibility of others forcing you to submit to their organization is eliminated.
But this is not what you’re doing, right? You are too stupid for that.
The reason – the true reason – is hatred of authority.
There is nothing wrong with hating authority that is harmful to one’s self. However, anarchy isn’t merely hatred of self-denying submission to authority. Rather, it is hatred of every kind of submission to authority, both self-affirming and self-denying.
This is because anarchy really is hatred of authority that comes from within, from the depths of one’s being, from one’s very own self.
It is self-hatred. Hatred of what one is. Of what a mess one is. Of what amount of effort is required to organize the mess that one is.
The authority that is hated is one’s own. What is hated is one’s own will – the organ which is responsible for self-organization. What is fought with all of one’s strength is not the other – the other is fought merely because the other is a trigger – but self.
You hate the fact that your own body does not live up to your standards.
In order to resolve tension, you turn against your standards by refusing to submit your body to their authority.
We can now conclude, yes we can, that anarchy opposes autonomy. It actively fights against it.
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### Author:  [@Ultimate\_Philosophy](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ultimate_Philosophy)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/34 "2016-12-05T03:12:08Z")
lolwut
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### Author:  [@Ultimate\_Philosophy](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ultimate_Philosophy)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 3:12am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/35 "2016-12-05T03:12:24Z")
syloggisms
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### Author:  [@surreptitious57](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/surreptitious57)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 5:58am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/36 "2016-12-05T05:58:30Z")
> [@Magnus Anderson](#):
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> Maniacal Mongoose can do whatever she wants in her free time means
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> I do not care who she is so as long she spreads her legs for me
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> Joker is happy so as long he can pound Mongoose
Why are you so obsessed with their sex life Magnus
What business is it of yours anyway what they do
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### Author:  [@Pandora](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Pandora)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 7:13am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/37 "2016-12-05T07:13:27Z")
Magnus is right.
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### Author:  [@Magnus\_Anderson](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Magnus_Anderson)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 12:41pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/38 "2016-12-05T12:41:30Z")
> [@surreptitious57](#):
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> Why are you so obsessed with their sex life Magnus
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> What business is it of yours anyway what they do
Your accusation, which is a false accusation, that I am obsessed with their sex life tells me that you feel uncomfortable when I criticize others for certain life decisions they make.
Their relationship is very important because it reveals who they are.
What’s your political orientation? You strike me as yet another anarchist who fights for the rights of people to live undisturbed safely enclosed within their tiny little bubbles some people call value-spheres.
Is it a crime to criticize? to oppose? to correct, or at the very least suppress, the wrong?
Is it a crime to desire to organize your environment rather than to leave it unorganized?
Is it a crime to desire for things to last than to simply leave them on their own as you watch them disappear into the void?
Are you going to tell me that every kind of opposition is a sign of ressentiment, of nihilism, of life-denial?
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### Author:  [@Is\_Yde\_opN](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Is_Yde_opN)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 1:49pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/39 "2016-12-05T13:49:34Z")
Is Joker even an anarchist?
What I hear is - “I don’t like the current social order/my position in said order. When the shit all crashes, which it will soon, then, then I will be free to gain power and get a better position in a new social order. Once it has collapsed it will be Post-Apocalyptic-Wonderland.”
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### Author:  [@surreptitious57](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/surreptitious57)
#### Post date: [December 5, 2016, 3:22pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/anarchy/43605/40 "2016-12-05T15:22:10Z")
> [@Magnus Anderson](#):
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> Your accusation that I am obsessed with their sex life tells me that you feel uncomfortable when I criticize others for certain life decisions they make
> No I do not feel uncomfortable but you only criticise them because you disapprove of their relationship though you have no valid reason for doing this
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> Their relationship is very important because it reveals who they are
> Their relationship is very important to you because it bothers you
>
> Whats your political orientation
> A non ideological lefty / liberal
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> You strike me as yet another anarchist who fights for the rights of people to live undisturbed safely enclosed within their tiny little bubbles
> I am not an anarchist at all but I do however think that people should live lives as undisturbed as possible but definitely not in tiny bubbles
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> Is it a crime to criticize to oppose to correct or at the very least suppress the wrong
> No it is not though deciding what is wrong is a question of subjective interpretation
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> Is it a crime to desire to organize your environment rather than to leave it unorganized
> No it is not but neither also is it one if you rather an unorganised environment instead
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> Is it a crime to desire for things to last than to simply leave them on their own as you watch them disappear into the void
> No it is not but neither also is it one to simply leave them on their own as you watch them disappear into the void instead
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> Are you going to tell me that every kind of opposition is a sign of resentiment of nihilism of life denial
> No I am not going to tell you that because opposition takes many forms and so is not always the same
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