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Well…Time for one of my least favorite discussions.

As a teenage youth in america attending highschool, Im noticing more and more references to “Anarchy” in the form of that trickey little “A” on Bags hats clothes ext.

No besides the point that by purchasing a Anarchy product in a store you are supporting capitalism thus going against you’re own intents.

This seems to have become quite a fad among youth now. This differs from people who are opposed to big government and study the works of people like marx, engels, lennin ext. Instead of the kids who pop in a marylyn Manson CD and call them selfs experts.

                                         Faults.
  1. Any movement needs a leader. How can you lead an “anarchist revolution”? How can you lead a goverment with no structure

  2. If a revolution was pulled off, people like to associate them selfs with others for physical emotion spiritual and structual support. This casue small “malitias” of people to form, whihc would grow and grow thus deffeating you’re purpose.

  3. We have over-developed land. If this revolution wa to happen, it would resovle in a break down of capitalism thus our way of provideing for our selves and others. People would have no means in which to survive.

  4. Humans are emotional. there would be excessive violence and death, which results in disease famine ext.

  5. Humans are greedy. Anarchy coudl exist wiht animals (in fact it does) but people are greedy. They want more then they need. Which is one of the reasons our good friend communism failed.

  6. there are so much more (feel free to post)

Now brings me to the phyciological aspect of this. Why has anarchy become so popular among americas youth? Why has society become filled with people preaching Revolution they dont understand and cant even fathem the type of hell it would bring.

…its that damn Rock And/or Roll

I will assume you are sarcastic :unamused:

I listen to Death Metal, Thrash Metal, bands that have words like ‘Satan’, ‘Kill’, ‘Death’ etc. in them, have tshirts with all kinds of devilish things and sometimes am scary due to some points of view or how I act (not meaning I am saying “Tomorrow I will kill my neighbour, I don’t like his shoes”).

Does all that make me a Satanist ?

Sometimes a chair is just a chair, it is used in a scene so that someone sits on it. It has no metaphoric sense, nothing. A tree is just a tree. It doesn’t mean that if someone used it, he did so because the color is stimulating, a tree symbolizes rest and so on. It’s just a tree.

So sometimes an (A) tag is just a tag, doesn’t mean any of them will start a revolution tomorrow. And surely blaming Rock for this is a joke, as if you try to prove that I will have no problems proving you’re wrong in just a few paragraphs. Still, you put your question wrong. Your question should be “why wear the tag if you don’t mean it”.

Well why does a girl tell a guy she loves him even though she doesn’t ?

I don’t deny you have good ideas but the way you present them is wrong most of the time. No offense meant, of course.
I know what you mean. I have quite a vast knowledge on Rock and Metal and it is a shame when all these Nu Metal fans have no clue what REAL music is, much like you don’t understand all this (A) frenzy.

But trust me, sometimes a tree is just a tree.

Side note, one answer might be “because it’s cool”. Still the best answer will be found by asking them. :slight_smile:

Good luck!

i used to be a big supporter of anarchy, i tweaked things here and there along the way and i will thusly lay out what anarchy means to me now. Anarchy is nothing but a realization about the nature of the universe, and that we are all our own little islands and on owr own little islands what we believe is right, IS right. That being the case, i am right and anarchy to me is a dictatorship with me at its head. That is the only way that anyone will ever have true freedom. When there is nobody above you to tell you what to do.

  1. Any movement needs a leader. How can you lead an “anarchist revolution”? How can you lead a goverment with no structure.
    A: Tyranny.

  2. If a revolution was pulled off, people like to associate them selfs with others for physical emotion spiritual and structual support. This casue small “malitias” of people to form, whihc would grow and grow thus deffeating you’re purpose.
    A: Anarchists are really communist in general aims. That is why Kropotkin difers little from Lenin.

  3. We have over-developed land. If this revolution wa to happen, it would resovle in a break down of capitalism thus our way of provideing for our selves and others. People would have no means in which to survive.
    A: Industrialism and manufacture drive capitalism not agriculture. Note the centrality of agriculture in the works of Marx and other communists.

  4. Humans are emotional. there would be excessive violence and death, which results in disease famine ext.
    A: Humans are also cold and calculating and even then there is violence and death, framine and disease, so I can’t see the direct relation with the nature of man and the state of affairs.

  5. Humans are greedy. Anarchy coudl exist wiht animals (in fact it does) but people are greedy. They want more then they need. Which is one of the reasons our good friend communism failed.
    A: Humans are also philantropic and selfless (See Mother Teresa). Social animals are not anarchist at all…not that that makes them communists, but somewhere in-betwixt. Communism failed for many reasons, not just that, simply put, our sinful nature. Our nature is not absolute, young one, either good or bad, but a mix of both. Communism made the same generalization you made and thus “failed”.

“Now brings me to the phyciological aspect of this. Why has anarchy become so popular among americas youth? Why has society become filled with people preaching Revolution they dont understand and cant even fathem the type of hell it would bring.”
O- I think the answer lies less on the subject than on the age of the rebels. It is not anarchy itself but simply whatever accentuates their individuality and drives their parents and all other parent figures up the wall. It is a stage they go through and perhaps can be traced to the driving hormones of this stage and the development of the brain. Other factors exists of course that can be added to this list, but the point is that satanism, goth, anarchy, tattoos etc; if their parents disprove of it that incites them.
…That is always with us. Tell somebody not to do X and you make X a temptation they have to resist and since Eva, we humans are at our worst when temptation looms.

exactely. both of you.

See the thing that just gets me is wearing a shirt with an anarachy tag on it is socially acceptable. But i doubt a shirt with a swatsitka or sickle and hammer would be as socially acceptable. (nazi swatika not buddisht)

i just think that anarchy can be used as a tool to point out flaws in a government or society, but just wearing it to wear it seems mildly ignorant.

i agree and disagree.

A tyranny is substantially different thant a governemnt wiht NO structure ( lol it may seem like it thoguht lol)

and while humans are selfless dont you think taht has something to do with it be socially expected. Becasue liek the reds taught us, religion starts to fall apart, (or strengthen oddly enoguh) and that calls no need for people being selfless

but besides that amen omar…preach it brother

In my opinion that is already the case. Everyone is free to do as they please, within moral and ethical limitations. If I was my own leader (not metaphorically, but literally so to speak) I still wouldn’t kill someone just because I could. My conscience would stop me. What is the difference now ? Law stops me. Could I do it ? Yes. Is it right ? No. Would I do it ? No.

Basically same scene, different “actors”.

I will assume you meant me and DietCoke :slight_smile:
At which point I will say that some people are influenced by narrow minded concepts. Although I do admit I didn’t agree with the ‘cold period’ (by that I am referring to the war periods - generalised as a whole) I do understand why they did what they did. Still doesn’t make it right and I don’t aprove.

Because of this, people are also influenced by generic thinking. Because of narrow minded people, Satanism is misunderstood. Therefore using anything symbolising that is condemned. sigh
Pushing it to your point. (A) is misunderstood, quite often, and wearing symbols of a one forbidden ‘object’ is, of course, condemned.
Personally if we are friends, and you are a neo-nazi type of person, I don’t have a problem with it as long as your beliefs and actions don’t interfere with mine. We are friends and whether you are a nazi or satanist should not influence my opinion of who you are as a person.

Still today, if I would hang out with you I would be considered a neo-nazi/satanist/communist too simply because “otherwise why would I hang out with you ?” :unamused:

The narrow minded people amaze me daily.

P.S. If you didn’t mean me, feel free to disregard the above comment :slight_smile:

i meant everyone.

i jsut think that people would be significantly more corrupt. For instances laws are there to protect you’reself and others. IF its not soing that why follow it beside fear of punishment. That punishment is gone now.

and i think murders is a bit extreme as a choice but you’re point stays.

The anarchy (a) does look as the kids say [i]flippin sweet.

I just think that by wearing it, you show some interest in the topic. and if somebody discussing it and asks you you’re reasons for wearing it you should have some. Because while you should not judge people by clothes (which we do) you’re clothes are too a point a representation of you.

im straying away from my point (i do that alot…damn keebler elves)

i just think that supporting something you dont understand is iggnorant and i think the idea of [i]Buying an anarachy product is very ironic and funyn in a way

Its that damn Led Zepellin

jk…robert plant is my hero

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i meant everyone.

i jsut think that people would be significantly more corrupt. For instances laws are there to protect you’reself and others. IF its not soing that why follow it beside fear of punishment. That punishment is gone now.

and i think murders is a bit extreme as a choice but you’re point stays.

The anarchy (a) does look as the kids say [i]flippin sweet.

I just think that by wearing it, you show some interest in the topic. and if somebody discussing it and asks you you’re reasons for wearing it you should have some. Because while you should not judge people by clothes (which we do) you’re clothes are too a point a representation of you.

im straying away from my point (i do that alot…damn keebler elves)

i just think that supporting something you dont understand is iggnorant and i think the idea of [i]Buying an anarachy product is very ironic and funyn in a way

Its that damn Led Zepellin

jk…robert plant is my hero

Jimmy Page is not bad to be honest. Not as good as Hendrix though, although their styles are different.

BTW - the edit button is your friend :smiley:
Well you said “both of you” yet 3 people posted so that is why I asked :smiley:

why does hearing the wrd “anarchy” immediately put an image of sid vicious smoking a joint at a cheap motel ?

to be honest, i think it is just another way for them to be heard…

lol…ohh sex pistols…

you will alwasy have a place in my heart

Heh i actuall have a hoodie with a big A on it that i bought like 5 years ago, and ill have you know that i wear it PURLEY because it is my most comfortable garment, and has thumb holes. but i admit it is rather rediculous looking.

hey…aint nothing wrong with thumbholes.

moop!

This post proves yromemtnatsisrep knows little or nothing regarding Anarchism. If he woulod have read just a little on the subject he would have found ample authors who would have disproved his claims regarding an Anarchist society: Proudhon, Nozick, Antonio Negri, Bakunin, or Noam Chomsky to name a few. You can read most of the works of these brilliant thinkers at the Anarchist Archives dwardmac.pitzer.edu/Anarchist_Ar … index.html .

Now I love the the children who wear the (A) as a fashion peice. I see no difference between wearing an (A) on your back pack and putting an American flag sticker on your truck. Both parties, for the most part, don’t understand the meaning and implications behind these symbols.

Well said and I agree, that is where people like me come into the picture. I was that kid with the (A) on his hoodie moshing at the shows and not really getting the bigger ideal, it gave me an identity and it pisssed people off so that was great. Then one day I began to pay attention to the lyrics of a band named “Crass” and it got to me. After a while of reading and political action I solidified myself as an Anarchist.

Now I try and help other kids where I was. Most of those kids with the (A) patch, however much a rebel, actually are interested in learning more about Anarchism. I make it a rule to carry around a pamphlet or two just for the times when I see the oportunity to educate on the subject of Anarchism. Sometimes I actually find people receptive enough to Anarchism that they begin to think for themselves and question all authority for reasons beyond teenage angst. That’s a satisfying experiance watching kids develop into anti-capitalists.

The point is don’t get all high and mighty because someone doesn’t understand something. We were all posers. We are still all posers. I’m not an exception, nor are you. Kids who wave flags and want to go to war are just the same as kids who wear black and want to go to the show, just a different group they are trying to impress.

you sir need the read the text.

by no means am i discussing the idea of anarchy. I am merly bringing forth question as too why it is so apealing to todays youth.

I was anaylsing the physche of the “anarchist” and not the adequacy of anarchy in the world today.

and putting and A tag on a shirt and the american flag are not the same.

One is for a country for which you can show patrionage, support and loyality becasue you live in that country.

And anarchy tag on a jacket is saying to supposedly “support” anarchism.

i do agree with you in the ideea that both parties dont know waht the fuck they are talking about.

but i have to disagree with the idea that alot of kids who wear the patch dont know what it “truely” represents.

some do, but many dont.

I make it a point of preference to drill this kids on the political thoery of anarchy any chance i get.

they usually resoind with a fumbled answer of “fuck bush” or “anarchy i nthe UK”

now, with my experiences (im still young) i find the kids who are the true “anarchists” (amny of my friends) dont feel the need to put the tag eveyrwhere.

but still…i like you man

someemofag is the only one here who gets it.

either way you’re at both ends of the spectrum and its just as bad.

all im saying is…if you guna wear something…just know what you’re supporting.

like if i wore a sickle and hammer ona red shirt (ussr) and somebody asked me why im wearing it, what makes it appealing or what is communism, do you not agree that i should be able to give them an answer OR just say “it looks cool and admit you dont support or know it”

either answers fine but its when they give a undefined relpy to both.

you sir need the read the text.

by no means am i discussing the idea of anarchy. I am merly bringing forth question as too why it is so apealing to todays youth.

I was anaylsing the physche of the “anarchist” and not the adequacy of anarchy in the world today.

and putting and A tag on a shirt and the american flag are not the same.

One is for a country for which you can show patrionage, support and loyality becasue you live in that country.

And anarchy tag on a jacket is saying to supposedly “support” anarchism.

id be better to compare…Anarchy tag to …Communist “sickle and Hammer”

i do agree with you in the ideea that both parties dont know waht the fuck they are talking about.

but i have to disagree with the idea that alot of kids who wear the patch dont know what it “truely” represents.

some do, but many dont.

I make it a point of preference to drill this kids on the political thoery of anarchy any chance i get.

they usually resoind with a fumbled answer of “fuck bush” or “anarchy i nthe UK”

now, with my experiences (im still young) i find the kids who are the true “anarchists” (amny of my friends) dont feel the need to put the tag eveyrwhere.

but still…i like you man

someemofag is the only one here who gets it.

either way you’re at both ends of the spectrum and its just as bad.

all im saying is…if you guna wear something…just know what you’re supporting.

like if i wore a sickle and hammer ona red shirt (ussr) and somebody asked me why im wearing it, what makes it appealing or what is communism, do you not agree that i should be able to give them an answer OR just say “it looks cool and admit you dont support or know it”

either answers fine but its when they give a undefined relpy to both.

One cannot lead an anarchist revolution without some very careful rhetoric and politics. I struggle to conceive of the sort of person (excepting Nietzsche and Socrates) who would be capable of fulfilling such a role.

Omar is correct about the difference betweeen the agricultural concerns of communism and anarchism (and other Marxist-derived politics) and that these are separate from the less perishable (and therefore less localised) manufacture industries (and added metaphysical crap like Law) which are primarily the concern of capitalism and associated politics.

Humans are greedy, but greed is relative. It is only greedy to steal a loaf of bread if you can’t afford to pay for it… Reduce the expectations and greed can be satisfied by less, remember Orwell’s 1984 (which I’m sure you’ve read)

Political stability is simply about balancing expectation with what is delivered. The problem of modern politics is that the state is barely required because most desires are satisfied by the private sector, hence the US governments need to invent dubious enemies in order to appear important and necessary…

The other big problem is that Hollywood and associated cultures have given people unrealistic expectations of how exciting life should be. Our culture(s) demand regular war, otherwise the violence of Hollywood is too alien, too otherwise…

id lend an “amen Brother”

but timecube gets offended so…what can ya do