Any news about the reaction to anti depressants being useless
are doctors still prescribing them
are patients still taking them
are patients demanding explanations from their doctors
have there been any investigations as to why doctors prescribed useless medication
any one asked the FDA why they authorised useless medication for public use
Pharmaceutical companies pay doctors to do it.
usatoday.com/money/industrie … rugs_N.htm
According to this, the studies (and reports) are tweaked to exaggerate effectiveness. They work, just not as well as they say they do.
the American health industry makes me sick.
no medical care for the poor, shitty medical care for the struggling, and medical care for the elite so good that they live so fucking long they can fuck over like 3 generations.
dam some things are disgusting
People keep mentioning the new wave anti depressants work to some extent, their not very effective but they still do work! the point is that they do work, just almost no better then sugarpills (and no better in MOST SITUATIONS).
So really in most situations they don’t work past placebo, which is to say, it still works, just not like a real clinically significant medication. Take a sugar pill at home and most patients, like 90% of them, will be getting the same help without the brutal bullshit of antidepressants (side effects). However I know plenty of people on these new wave meds that WILL NOT give them up, despite the fact they don’t work, they’d go to the grave claiming it did.
So would everyone in the placebo trials.
Isn’t there already a thread about this? In this forum in fact? Started by the same person as this one?
Well, LadyJane, all I can say is it’s all bull. I’ve tried several anti-depressant medications. I’ve even shipped in medications from different countries. I will base my decision purely on experience.
Nothing, and allow me to repeat, Nothing has worked for me.
The only type of medication that has helped at all is sleeping medication. But it is only because it makes you too sleepy to have anxiety about anything. And trust me, when they call it sleeping medication, their damn serious. I’m sleeping all day long too. Stuff works though. Got to give it to them, ey?
But this medication does not keep anyone from being depressed. Sure it reduces the amount of anxiety, but the depression is still buried underneath it. Somewhat dormant, as I’ll put it. And to put sleeping medication in the hands of someone who is depressed at all is never a smart idea. 
I found out the hard way.
Drugs weather plasebo or real cannot provide a recovery. They can take you out of the depths if you are the type of person that they work for, and in that way they can be usefull, for example a person with OCD cannot be talked or talk himself out of his anxieties when in crisis (trust me on that). He must first be calm so rational thoughts can get through and drugs can provide that. Its cognitive “rewiring” that one needs to recover from conditions such as depression or anxiety disorders
The antidepressants I use work just fine for me o.O
and the sugar pills work equally well and statistically the same in double-blind tests…
that means everyone who took the sugar pill, the hundreds of people, felt the same. Isn’t that concerning?
I’m sightly concerned at the blatent outing of such a discovery. Is it not a little dangerous, to just come forward with such information and thrust it at the masses without warning or structure. If Anti-depressants are just a placebo telling those that take it is going to stop that effect in alot of patients surely.
uhhh… what ?
Whether that is the case or not is irrelevant the public has a right to know how well a given medication works if its being sold to them as real medication. This stuff has consistantly bad side-effects for a lot of people /dangerous side effects for a lot of people. The drugs can wreak havok with the ability to feel love/proper emotions.
And again, a company has no right to sell a placebo drug as a medicine and keep the statistics back from people. It doesn’t matter if everyone on medication X commited mass suicide, there is absolutely no way they could keep this shit from the public (even though lots of people do).
(also most of the patients I know scoff and say ‘oh well THEY WORK FOR ME, I KNOW’)
I never said they should keep it from the public.
I said that it is dangerous to reveal such information without warning or structure. Immagine a teacher reading out a message he just recived that one of his pupils parents had died. That seems like a very poor way to do something. Alot of the people that take anti-depressants are obviously prone to anxious, depressive and often suicidal thoughts. Telling them in as it was broudcast shows no regard for the takers well being what so ever.
That’s…hundreds of people…who are not me. I’m not particualrly concerned with the mind over matter people who convinced themself that drugs would fix them. I’ve been switched between drugs a few times, and only had one work for me. :Insert moronic statement that I was probably just used to the drug and didn’t like new pills or something: Yeah…no. Doctors, oddly enough, think about that stuff, and I was given the same medication under two different names, but responded the same to both.
Insisting that the drug must not work for me because it doesn’t work for you is…well, stupid. Different people, different problems, different results.
And everything in your social life/diet/etc stead 100% completely the same during every new medication? Don’t pretend your life is anywhere close to the scientific conditions that would need to be met consistantly for you to know that with any certainty.
The situation isn’t comparable to someone’s parents dying and it being announced in the classroom. Please let us try and get past these simplistic and nonhelpful examples, they don’t highlight the issue at all.
The situation is comparable to a lot of people being on drugs that don’t beat sugarpills in consistant statistical trials, these drugs are wildly dangerous/have a lot of undesirable side-effects. Its being Sold to them as real medication, if a sugarpill or somthing that works exactly as well as a sugarpill can help all these depressed people, then theres reason to believe somthing else might work.
psychiatrty the practice of it, the doctors do not beat people randomly chosen off the street, both in double blind results have the same success rates. Someone with a doctorate or off the street can treat people with the exact same success rate. Telling this to people isn’t going to have people commiting mass suicide, its going to have them looking for real solutions to their problems, like they genuinely believe these things work, so they do. You can apply that to anything, and a person probably would eventually.
Basically what i’m saying was even if it is “harsh” theres no other acceptable way to announce a medication doesn’t work. We’re talking about thousands of people who will also start taking the medication on false pretenses, its being sold as a medicine. Like I said, it doesn’t matter to me if every single person commiteed suicide who took that medication, it shouldn 't change societies standards on announcing a medication’s success or failure.
It has to be announced and it has to be announced exactly like it was. It was a scientific team announcing its discovery and the evidence based for it for a medication that people take, that is the only standard that matters. Whether the medication works or not is the only standard that matters when it comes to informing the public about X medication. Seriously, thats it.
The responsibility isn’t on the state or the rest of us to stop these people from killing themselves, even if it is, its not our responsibility to the extent that we should sugarcoat the truth or waste time ‘softening’ the blow.
The team did research, they posted the results of their evidence in a scientific journal or scientific article/paper. Thats the only thing that can be realistically expected. The media should also report the facts like they apper in the article. Not only should they, but its their responsibility, and also a matter of law (as to whether the medication works)
I guess I just care about peoples lives alot more than discovery.
no, you care more about people’s feelings then you do about their right to know whether or not the medication their taking works. You care more about emotionally disturbed people then you care about the societies right to know what the fuck its ingesting under the label ‘medication’.
Do you know whats more upsetting then finding out anti depressants don’t work? Finding out that the medication a doctor told you would work for a horrifying disease is not really an option any longer. But its your fucking right to know that the second the doctor is privvy to the information, its simply not ethical to keep that shit from patients. Or do you know what else is worse, finding out that X medication doesn’t treat heart disease and actually causes problems, oh wait, that might upset some people who already have it a lot fucking worse then your average person on antidepressants, maybe we should keep that from them too?
Its horribly unethical to even think about holding back the tiniest amount of information on a drug like that. You’re not taking a moral highground here.
If a person is getting by through placebo and it ‘works for them’ they have the right to know that there might be other treatments available that will work, etc. They have that RIGHT and when we talk about ripping away people’s liberities for their ‘feelings’ is about the time when I start getting uncomfortable.
We have these rights and its not anyone’s choice to take them away for the ‘greater good’. At least, barring some kind of fucked up siotuation where theres rioting in the streets etc.
Should my freedom of speech be taken away with that too? because I might untentionally upset someone into commiting suicide?
We are talking about an anti-depressant here. So its a special case. Why do you keep saying that I dont think people should be told? Because it suits your argument I suppose. I do think they should be told, but in a controled way. Like I said Im more interested in peoples lives. You keep saying that you dont care if a few people commit suicide. I do. Simple