See, that’s what fascinates me about this. I am convinced that psychic phenomena don’t exist, and that simpler explanations are adequate. I would like to understand how someone parses the evidence to conclude the opposite.
And yes, we’ve chosen a number. I’ll allow that 1-100 is a bit too much. Luckily, the number is also between 1 and 25. And so you know, I am playing fair. I have the number written on a post-it and adhered to my computer monitor as we speak, and I have done the same for one of my co-workers. It’s written in red ink, if that helps.
I doubt I’d guess the correct number, matthatter: the psychic information I receive is of a solely selfish nature so my senses would not be intune with theirs/their control test, but I’ll be keeping tuned to find out what happens with it.
I’ll check-out the site over the weekend, and get back to you - although, it is a difficult thing to prove: unless you are the one experiencing the phenomena, ah well!
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magsj, that is a good point. Matthatter, I have already picked a number, but would you like me to think of a number that I come up with by myself, or think of a number that we might both try to come up with? I dunno, any suggestions?
Sir, well I think we should try to come up with something other than a number, especially one which can be double digits. It’s pretty difficult.
As for the number you’ve already chosen… 9 (or 19).
I think we should try to make an experiment based off something that can have a lot of connections, that would make access easier, but could still be distinguishable from one to another.
Maybe a list of different movies (we’ve both seen, of course) with very seperate themes, symbols in them (probably best limited to movies we have either seen recently or know very well, to make associations easier).
Some examples that might have elements easy to recognize: Office Space (with the office supplies, the tired, dull attitudes, and the comedy), Casino or Good Fellahs (Italy, Mafia, Murder), Jurassic Park (Dinosaurs), Alice in Wonderland (bright colors, strange characters), etc.
I would prefer to try to send it to you.
Or we can make a list for each of us, so we will both send and receive, without any chance of us choosing the same movie to send (which I think would complicate things).
By the way, are there are any limitations in terms of how I try to send the message? If you prefer I’ll just stick to sending you information during the day, rather than actively willing myself to make a presence in your dreams (although I can’t promise this wouldn’t happen, I don’t have as much control over these things as I wish I did).
It would probably be best to try to keep a dream journal during the test period (one week?).
Carleas and I had a short exchange of private PMs where I gtuessed the number. I was wrong, and she asked if I had any reasoning for this. My guess was one away from hers, so that’s what she means when she says “almost” (my reasoning was that thet sooorrttt of sound alike (but it’s too much of a stretch for me to claim any real significance).
Sometimes I know it is something that isn’t originating from my own brain, sometimes I am not sure at the moment it enters my awareness, but reason that it comes from “elsewhere” once other factors come in that tell me it isn’t due to chance.
I’m very mindful of the way I think (I watch my own thinking), so I am fairly sensitive to when something surfaces without any prior connecting to thought from which it would follow.
Example: My friend and I get our drinks at a Starbucks and look for a seat to wait for our friend. As soon as I sit in my seat I feel awkward, like I shouldn’t be there. I have trouble concentrating on what my friend is saying because I can’t shake my awareness from that man sitting at a table near us. I know that he is focusing on us. Finally I tell my friend that I would really pfer me moved outside. As soon as we exit the Starbucks the man moves to our table.
Even now I second guess information I get through psychic means, because I tend to be a very cautious person. I think things over a lot. But after thinking all the things over, and also reading the Holographic Universe many years ago, I began to see the Universe in such a way where psychic experiences seem an obvious possiblity. All these miracles you always here about are interpretted by the religious as a special demonstration by a saint, or God him/her/itself, but all it really is is a large group of people believing something will happen. Prayer is just the mind influencing the universe. Humans have a much deeper affect on their (and others) relaities than they realize.
Well, it was a pretty long time ago when I was more “common-sense” /scientific/materialist minded.
The idea of God and anything “supernatural” is silly, because it isn’t established truth. There is no point constructing your view of the worl with information that isn’t established to be true.
Unestablished “objective reality” = Not reality.
The scientific/materialist stage is, in a sense, about practicality.
Your beliefs are used to find out how to act.
At this stage things are still pretty black and white.
You become more of a relativist once you begin to understand that certain beliefs you already have influence your reactions to others.
At this point your mind changes the way it interprets information.
Instead of a list of facts of right versus wrong, there are central, very broad princiles from which you relate information. In a sense, you are trying to see how things fit into this big picture, depending on the filter from which they look out the big picture.
This is the first step of going beyond reason. You are no longer consciously comparing the world to a set of guidelines to determine if it is reasonable or not, your mind naturally compares and contrasts something with several related things at once. This is CREATIVE reason.
More and more things become relatable. You see how things relate to new aspects of other things. Concepts become much more complicated.
At this point you can’t possibly derive satisfaction from merely adapting oneself to a group/goal. You can’t be someone else’s vision of what a good person is. You have to actively design yourself, and train your mind to be what you want to be. It’s sort of like the ultimate art project. This is essentially the problem and solution to the existential problem.
There is a lot more to go from here though (don’t I know it, I’m still a psychological mess. I’m just more aware of how I am a mess than others are. I no longer have the luxury of projecting myself onto others. My problems are right in my face whenever they arise, and I can’t ignore them).
The scientific/formal-logic stage of development preceives things as “us” as in family, group, and nation. As you can see, this is where most of the world is.
After this you think of “us” as all humans. After this “us” becomes all earthly beings (a carnivorous diet is not at all civilized, I recommend everyone drops such a primitive habit).
please don’t send me anything during sleep. I have just had a break up with my girlfriend of 3 1/2 years, and I am afraid, I won’t be able to think clearly as it is, and my sleep schedule is racked.
the number that “floated” into my head was 24 first, it was a solid hit in my brain, but I wasn’t trying to connect to you or anything, I was merely trying to listen to the number that “just came” after 24, the number 13 came.
movies, well, we can try it I guess. how do you want to do this.
The strangest thing about this is that I relate to a lot of what you’re saying, and it’s just the very last step where we diverge. There are little things that differ. For instance, I eat meat and have no moral problem with it (aside from the ill effects of the meat industry on the environment), because, while I relate to animals and realize that they are not to different from myself, neither are plants or rocks or the fabric of spacetime itself: everything is made of the same stuff. Temple Grandin is someone with asperger’s. In her book “Emergence: Labelled Autistic”, she explains that she relates better to cows than to people a lot of the time. But she is a leading designer of slaughterhouses, not because she doesn’t care or relate to the animals, but because she prioritizes making their life easier rather than longer.
When it comes to awareness, I can relate to being aware of one’s own thoughts and psychology, and to the search for awareness. But my search is focussed on the unsual five senses: The world is constantly flooding me with information, and my mind usually dismisses the brunt of it. I’m trying to gain more information about the world by increasing my awareness of the things I see and hear and feel. I get the impression that I would pick up on something like you experience at Starbucks, but even if I weren’t consciously aware of it, I would pass it off to picking up on breathing or catching his gaze out of the corner of my eye.
And maybe this is all just a difference of discription.
That’s all it is: being aware of your senses (all of them/not just the five biological ones, but the psychological ones too) the more you tap into them: the stronger they grow - I was intune with mine from a young age because I filtered out almost all of the information coming my way: therefore developing on all levels.
My dad (in true typical alpha-male style) would communicate without having to say a word - a few grunts/ his body language would indicate what he meant, or for us to get lost and go and play while he read the paper lol.
so my senses would not be intune with theirs/their control test, but I’ll be keeping tuned to find out what happens with it.