Are Mind and Matter interdependent?

What are you smoking these days?
As I said, I think of it as being both, matter and non-matter, but that’s just me. It is both a sensation (smell) but at the same time that sensation IS derived from chemicals (matter).
Read the full explanation.

Is this some newly-found phase that you’re going through? Calling people who you know to be women dudes?

Nice that someone got it.

Thank you, James. :evilfun: I so enjoy being a woman.

Someone says “I smell a rat”

Both utterances flow from the same fountain … the mind.

I see no distinction. :smiley:

surreptitious57 wrote:

There are three distinct ways the genetic information in the DNA can be changed and generate a mutation that could contribute to evolution.

  1. It involves no new additional genetic information being formed, but it involves the loss of preexisting information that results in changes.
  2. It involves the transfer of new genetic information from one organism to another, which translates, it can produce a new strain of an organism but not a new type of organism.

The E. coli bacteria was still E. coli bacteria, it had not evolved into another species of bacteria.

  1. Would involve the generation of totally new useful genetic information within the DNA code of an organism by some supposed process in nature.

Dr Lenski’s experiments revolve around the use of existing genetic information and that the potential to produce the new traits were already encoded for in some latent manner in the DNA. On the basis of the levels of mutations observed by Dr Lenski the probability of all this new genetic information arising by chance is so close to zero as to be impossible. In Wikipedia when documenting Dr Lenski’s experiments it reads:

Other researchers have experimented on evolving aerobic citrate-utilizing E. coli. Dustin Van Hofwegen et al., working in the lab of Scott Minnich, were able to isolate 46 independent citrate-utilizing mutants of E. coli in just 12 to 100 generations using highly prolonged selection under starvation, during which the bacteria would sample more mutations more rapidly.[44] In their research, the genomic DNA sequencing revealed an amplification of the citT and dctA loci, and rearrangement of DNA were the same class of mutations identified in the experiment by Richard Lenski and his team. They concluded that the rarity of the citrate-utilizing mutant in Lenski’s research was likely a result of the selective experimental conditions used by his team rather than being a unique evolutionary speciation event.

pilgrim-seeker_tom

I think that I’m more capable of smelling that “figurative” rat than the actual one. :evilfun:
Both utterances? What is the other utterance?
There may be what is considered to be the universal mind BUT each individual mind is capable of perceiving and interpreting and separating knowledge differently.
My mind is different in ways than yours - I can see distinctions where some cannot as I surmise that there are instances where you can also “see” them where I cannot.

If one is yards away from the roses and the scent of those roses escapes into the air and flow to your nose, can you then intuit a distinction between the rose and its scent? The scent has left “the building” in a manner of speaking, has become separate from the roses albeit still a part of them. The scent is the effect or sensation of those tiny little particles which are invisible to the naked.

Do you see a distinction between cause and effect albeit we can at times know and trace back the relationship. Okay, I’m moving away from it all here.

Both, the biblical and its successor the scientific genesis, originate in the belief (or hope) that everything starts at A and proceeds to B (latter is usually believed to be “better”).

Yeah … that’s the traditional posture.

Let’s take a simple example … food.

Fidel Castro put food in it’s proper perspective when he said … “with no food who needs a doctor.”

Historically nature controlled the population of the human species via food supply.

At some point man intervened and decided they could do it better … the advent of the agricultural epoch … from grain storage silos to GMO foods today.

Today some argue the planet is severely overpopulated … again man intervenes … introduces birth control via the food chain and develops technology enabling selective genocide.

Humanoids will eventually be able to survive on man made chemical concoctions while ordinary humans die from being forced to eat from the trough of a contaminated/poisonous food chain.

An ingenious plan really.

Recommend reading: The discourse on Prajna (Mind essence) - by Hui-Neng

terebess.hu/zen/HuinengCleary.pdf

isn`t life fun …?! :smiley:

It certainly can be. … a gift from the gods, a reprieve for the times when the human creature has to swallow more at times than it can chew.

I have also found that life is much more fun when we place value on those things which cannot be bought ~~ only experienced and enjoyed.
Oh, how the gods at times do love me.
:evilfun:

Mind is not something strange; it might be treated strangely, and even be mistreated, but these are symptoms of self-estrangement - after all mind is one-self.

“What we have called matter is energy, whose vibration has been so lowered as to be perceptible to the senses” (Albert)

…and the coordinator (interpreter?) of the senses is called mind (Michael)