So God is not the creator of all that is, because time existed before God. So what created time? Or what created God?
We’ll answer that for you, Gary, right after you give a logical explanation as to why there exists the “somethingness” of reality as opposed to absolute “nothingness”?
If you can’t answer what created time or God, then there’s no need for me to answer why something exists instead of nothing.
The point is that the answers to either of those questions are beyond the scope of our present state of consciousness.
I think you’re expecting a bit much now Gary. There’s some questions I don’t even attempt to answer, or even pontificate about.
Time created God, but not with a sense of purpose, time has no purpose, it just is. Why did time have to be created? Did the void have to be created?
That’s why I’m agnostic. I couldn’t say if there is a God or not. It’s beyond my capacity to know.
But whether or not there’s a God, you know the answer?
Uh oh, N, we have another logical problem. If time exists, something must exist to experience it as ‘passing’, or, in the least, something must exist in tenses. In other words, unless there can be a thing that was, is, or will be what it is, there is no reality of time.
The first objection i raise in the Kantian sense. That we experience only moving phenomena (the hands on a clock or the decay rate of a particle) gives us an impression of time. But as far as we know, the universe could be a giant chunk of Parmenidean being, unchanging and not even eternal. ‘Eternal’ is a measurement of time… and there may be no time. Muwahahahaha!!
What does your gut tell you (naggingly suggest to you) about whether or not it is reasonable to assume that the unfathomable order of the universe is a product of the blind and mindless meanderings of gravity and thermodynamics (i.e., “chance”)?
No. I don’t know the answer. Jesus. Am I writing this in English? I choose to believe there is a God. I don’t assume to know his will apart from the obvious, He seems to love order and abhor chaos. That’s all I know. You’re the one calling Him a dick because children get sick. Who is more realistic??
My gut tells me when I’m hungry. Other than that, it doesn’t tell me anything about God that I could logically draw any conclusions from.
An impression of time. We know nothing of time apart from the fact that it passes. I’ll tell you what I know, time is relative to nothing. Everything is relative to time. There you go, argue with that.
And by the way, the muwahahah is very ironic, considering you’ve been getting your ass handed to you on a plate all day by a “newb”.
Don’t try to be cute, my old PN friend, you know what I meant.
OK. I choose to be agnostic. To each his or her own, different strokes for different folks, I guess.
Not trying to be “cute” just pointing out a fact of life.
Now that I can’t argue with. Peace.
You as well………..
So then, it’s simply a “fact of life” that you’ve never wondered how and why the world is in such an amazing state of order?
No. It’s a fact of life that my “gut” doesn’t tell me anything about God that I could logically draw any conclusions from.
“blind and mindless meanderings of gravity and thermodynamics”
I dunno, boss, but give a periodic chart 13 billion years to mess around under the stability of a few constant thermodynamic ‘laws’ and chances are you get something extremely complex like DNA eventually.
The question isn’t ‘is there god or not’ but rather why are the laws such that they are rather than some other way. It may just be that that’s the only way a universe can exist.