Are words, Nigger and Gook always bad to use?

My friend and I love to call each other nigger at times. We are both white. (he is half Japanesse, I am all scandinavian)

Neither of us have any beans with anyone of any ethnicity.

I also take the lovely opportunity to introduce him to my other friends as my half-gook friend.

Some of my really liberal friends freak out when I have fun with these terms. It seems like they believe the terms are litteraly evil or whatever regardless of the circumstance. but doesn’t it deepend on the context and the intent involved?

What do you folks think. Am I an asshole for having fun with these taboo terms?

only politically correct liberal totalitarian democRATS are in favor of CENSORING SPEECH.

but if you say the wrong thing around the wrong person, you may get hurt.

-Imp

Had a huge debate about this awhile back when I first came onto this forum.
In my opinion the word nigger is just another word that doesn’t have any meaning behind it unless you put meaning behind it.

one view is your are making a joke out of others suffering.
dissmissing it as nothing when to some people its everything and disrespecting people in that circumstance.

Are you kidding? I’ve known more liberals to over-accuse people of trying to censor others!

Liberals have less of a connection to censorship than Saddam had to 9/11.

It is wrong for a third party to censor, but there is nothing wrong with censoring yourself. You do that based on your own code of personal ethics. If you don’t have one, then get one.

Origin:

Those kind of names are great to use during a war. They help to train the soldier to not see the enemy as human. You go out and hunt ducks, and when you do you don’t worry about their little individual lives. They’re just ducks. So, going out to kill gooks or niggers is the same concept.

You’ll notice that most any group that has a name like that was in or caused a war.

Of course I have personal ethics, I don’t know why you would even ask.

Part of my personal ethics, is if you can make some situation fun without hurting someone, than do it.

My friend and I skateboard with a little black kid Jeromy. We gave him the idea, to shout, “white power” to people. :laughing: He thought it was more funny than we did. Life is short, and if no one get’s hurt, then you gotta go for it. that is how I look at it.

ever hear of the PMRC?

ever wonder where the “caution- explicit lyrics” stickers on your music comes from?

favorite enviro-nazi and favorite VP of the democRAT party algore’s wife tipper started that fucking group of censors back when algore was still a senator.

the democRATS are the fucking censors. ever try to express a “conservative” opinion on a college campus? the fucking liberals are the ones protesting and censoring the free speech… NOT the right.

[size=200]VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!![/size]

-Imp

Everyone has petty names for their particular race and shouldn’t be offended by them, they’re funny. Like beaners, crackers, spics, japs, niggers, etc. Unless you’re a jew, …like detrop, then you take offense.
I’d prefer being called a nazi more than a jew…I don’t know why. It’s all in good fun, though.

:smiley: I agree.

I disagree that everyone has these names. What are Latvians called?

Like I said, these names are hate terms usually born in wartime or during an economic struggle. They are designed to turn individuals into a herd.

Not everyone uses these words either. I’ve know men that would shoot a black man in the face, but would never call him a nigger. All words have meaning and so do these.

Ethics:

I question the ethics of a person that says they don’t want to hurt people, but then encourages others to shout insults in public for anyone to her, come now.

Ask someone who commonly interacts with Latvians that is not a Latvian; I’ll bet there is one - a name, I mean.

In the States, we have “demeaning but subjectively humorous” names for everyone - depending on which state one is from, which university he attended, which town one is from, and so on. We could just be extremely odd, but I doubt it.

I disagree that these terms are only born during wartime or economic struggle - look at “nigger”. To my knowledge, it existed well before the war and prior to any economic hardship that would have spawned its creation.

Nigger, in its original form, was designed to indicate the relative place of birth. According to the crap I quoted, it came to mean the way a person of a lower socio-economic position referred to negros - not an increased slight to the negros themselves.

True. I don’t use the term “nigger”. Not that I find anything particularly insulting about it - no more or less than I do cracker, honky, gook, spade, sooner, redskin, freestater, etc. But because PC society has determined that since this term is particularly insulting, I am better off not using it.

Convention - and a poor one at that. If a word in se has come to mean more than a man’s life to you, you have lost touch with what life should mean. I would not call a black person a nigger unless I knew he wanted me too. But the term is still humorous, especially when used among blacks. Context is important.

Of course. And the words we are talking about mean, “You are in multiple ways different than me, this word expresses one of the ways in which you are different from me. I find this particular expression of the difference to be humorous.” Obviously, if we suspect that the person will take offense to it, we would be well served not to utter it to their face, but that is only in deference to their subjective tastes.

I agree. But you’ll never hear me utter the words “I don’t want to hurt people.” It is not my intent to hurt people, but I will not bow down before excessively sensitive people, nor walk on eggshells to prevent someone’s feelings from being hurt. People take themselves and life too seriously; we would all be better served if everyone just lightened up a bit.

Mr. P, I apologize for misrepresenting your claim. Now that I reread it, you said “often”, which I replaced with “only”. My bad.

I accept my 10 lashes.

yopele,

I can’t say that I agree with almost anything that you’ve posted there.

Firstly, we’re in a strange argument about insulting words being not insulting, but by their very existence, they are insulting words. It is not uncommon for people that just want to do anything to argue that their negative behaviour does not exist as a behaviour.

See the Clinton scandal for more about this kind of thinking. Suddenly, there’s no such thing as professional behaviour, certain types of sex are in limbo, and having honest personal relationships is not realistic. All those things and more were said.

Stuff exists.

Also, I’m not sure that there was a time when black Africans had significant respect. If they were calling them niggers way back when then they were calling them something else. The fact is that the term has had a damn good run and means a lot.

The word has about the same emotional weight as rats or pigs.

When I mentioned killing before I should have explained more. When you kill someone as a soldier you’re supposed to try your best not to humiliate them first. That’s the act of a sadist.

Ethics:

I would not define the avoidance of shouting “nigger” in public as walking on eggshells.

yopele,

You say that this particular word has been blown out of proportion. That’s not for you to say.

Also, you mention that black people say it to each other. Well, they also kill each other.

You seemed to have missed my point in the last post about words. The fact that the op had to ask us indicate that the words have power.

Sure it is. I am entitled to my opinion, aren’t I? Additionally, according to my philosophy of not placing too much importance on a subjective interpretation of the meaning of a word, I am still sitting pretty.

And caucasians kill each other. Are you suggesting that if we refrain from calling ourselves caucasians, that we will no longer kill each other? Come now, Mr. P, you know better.

And I admitted they did. I also stated that distinguishing words are usually humorous. I would rather live in a world where people find things humorous, rather than offensive.

But you can take the words any way you like. Where your view differs from mine is the problem, not the solution.

the context creates the insult. I am calling my japannese friend a nigger as a joke, neither he, nor I are offended. The question of shooting racially derogatory names to people of that race in public was never a question on this post.

Words do have power, of course. But to downplay them and use them as jokes with friends of those races (my japanese and black friend) in my opinion makes them less powerful, and actually a fun thing to laugh about. We laugh because some people take them so seriously. We have de-powered the word in a way.

I think people are more comfortable around each other when those words are only stupid, funny things to jokingly call each other.

PS. Tippy Gore did go to far. I guess she forgot to read the constitution before she started her little parade against free speech. She has all rights under the constitution to protest, write counter propaghanda against various rock bands etc. but she went to far when she put white out on the most important part of the constitution . . . the freedom of speech.