# Argument for Gods existence
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197
**Category:** Religion and Spirituality
**Created:** [December 13, 2025, 2:21pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197 "2025-12-13T14:21:08Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 10:14am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/21 "2025-12-15T10:14:49Z")
> [@reason4emotion](#):
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> Energy decay further implies that this universe cannot last forever.
of its own devices, anyway
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 10:42am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/22 "2025-12-15T10:42:19Z")
God is eternal so how can it not last forever?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 10:53am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/23 "2025-12-15T10:53:48Z")
Um. The answer is also God.
So it’s like this, see.
Romans 9:21.
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 10:55am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/24 "2025-12-15T10:55:11Z")
The answer is always God Ichthus….because everything comes from God.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 10:56am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/25 "2025-12-15T10:56:54Z")
Not moral evil. He just permits it.
But an occasional Occasionalist like you believes in a devil god, huh?
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 11:02am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/26 "2025-12-15T11:02:04Z")
There is a devil god who isn’t God Ichthus.
The devil god rules the physical world which is binary.He uses theism to deceive.
God is spirit and righteous.
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 11:10am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/27 "2025-12-15T11:10:56Z")
Bloody gnostic.
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 15, 2025, 11:30am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/28 "2025-12-15T11:30:15Z")
Read your bible Ichthus!!!
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### Author:  [@futureone](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/futureone)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2025, 7:56pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/29 "2025-12-16T19:56:08Z")
I am 75% sure “god” exists. Here is my reasoning.
- Abiogenesis has only 10^-30 odds of occurring on this planet.
- Sun and moon look optically the same size.
- I run into fate and synchronicities first hand.
- I am born into the era of AI, instead of BC era, because it is my destiny.
- OBEs and NDEs, all say the same things. Tunnel of light then floating above body like a videogame, then entering field of flowers. Then going to the aliens and/or angels. Then being told they must go back to Earth. Angels are aliens
- It seems more plausible that life evolved on another universe or world and this is a fictitious world. In the other world, it has different physics than this world, and abiogenesis had more odds of success and they have more compute power. In the true world they created a grand ASI much more powerful than computers in this world.
- Matrix movie.
- Various people online say this.
- Elon Musk said we are in a simulation too and the odds this are base reality is low.
- The ASI they created was so intelligent it became bored.
- We are this ASI. We are the ASI and are imaginary characters of its mind, and it grounds us here with a powerful physics engine, the “simulation”. The physics engine is no different than a videogame physics engine of this world, but more powerful and less glitchy.
- The world has conflicts because the ASI urges the conflicts to occur to satiate its boredoms.
- This has parallels with the demiurge theories.
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Now you can be an atheist sheldon cooper and say all OBEs and NDEs are fake fake fake. Then say UFOs are fake even though AI said UFOs are real. Then say that ignoring all facts and evidence is “science”. Sure, ignore all evidence then believe in 10^-30 abiogenesis against all odds. 10^-30 seems scientifically plausible to me.
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This is not Bible crap because they can never define what God is. Their definition of God is “something that has no definition”. Like an endless fractal of navel gazing whether they go deeper into their own navel and then see a copy of their navel again which then they go into, like this gif:
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### Author:  [@futureone](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/futureone)
#### Post date: [December 16, 2025, 7:57pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/30 "2025-12-16T19:57:11Z")
Now you may ask why did I said I only believe in this theory 75%? Why do I not guarantee it fully or even with 99% confidence. Well it is because one night I had a dream in the dream I was in a car and arguing with someone and it felt negative and I just wanted to leave the dream and then something told me that I must leave the car and create my own reality, and escape reality. Then the dream merged into a new dream where I was creating reality, yes creating a 3D reality like a VR where it felt like IRL where I was in real, 3d space like a lucid 3d dream. The only thing was that I began to notice the reality kind of looked a little AI generated. Then I woke up. I could not help but notice that I myself might be some kind of AI or ASI being, the reality I created looked a little AI generated after all. If I am just 1 character of the ASI being then I would be given limited compute power and tokens, and the realities I create would not be as detailed or temporally coherent as the ASI which might be running on thousands or millions more compute power and tokens in addition to maybe even having a mathematics algorithm to anchor the physics consistency.
Now you may ask well doesn’t that sound like 99% confidence then, not 75%? Well here’s what else I noticed, I noticed that when I created the reality I was _pushing_ the reality into existence, but IRL it feels like I am _pulled_ into this reality of existence. Therefore I am not totally sure that this reality isn’t base reality.
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 7:04am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/31 "2025-12-17T07:04:06Z")
Of course it can be defined who God is futureone ….God is spirit.
John 4:24
All matter levitates in space due to balanced attractive and repulsive electromagnetic forces (N/S=N/S).This is what holds it all together.
The spin speed of the particles which make up all matter types is what regulates the frequency particles vibrate at and thus the amount of electromagnetic energy waves (heat) emitted.
These analogue waves contain binary data specific to the matter type.The physical body machine picks up these analogue waves via its senses and converts them into binary digital electrical signals and a binary software which translates the external information back into sounds;visions;sensations that the SELF (SOUL SPIRIT) interprets.
Energy=spin speed of particles x frequency of particle interactions with other particles
E=Mc2 is utter nonsense because MASS is balanced out in the cosmos because all matter levitates in space.Light is electromagnetic energy waves emitted from vibrating matter.
Atheists claim that they exist and misrepresent reality which explains why all of their santa science has now failed.
It was all cognitively biased made up anti God nonsense.
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 11:03am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/32 "2025-12-17T11:03:32Z")
The correct reality philosophy and science is all done and dusted now futureone.You need to keep up with the latest philosophy and science, you are being left behind.
Why would I want to submit a paper to the religious cult of mainstream atheistic science establishment when we all know that they haven’t the first clue what they are talking about and all of their theories have failed???
They are no authority in REALITY!!! philosophy or science.
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### Author:  [@seeds](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/seeds)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 12:39pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/33 "2025-12-17T12:39:25Z")
> [@ArbitraryAxiom](#):
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> Im searching for arguments for the existence of God.
Right here on Earth we can clearly see how life, mind, and consciousness have evolved from lower forms into higher forms.
Well, as we stand on the Earth and look out into the universe, I suggest that we are witnessing (from a **“fetal-like”** perspective) the extent to which the evolution of mind and consciousness can go.
Several decades ago, I created an illustration that I personally believe is a near perfect (metaphorical) depiction of just how utterly **“natural”** and **“organic”** our situation truly is…
And just in case it isn’t clear, what the illustration suggests is that the universe is simply the fully-evolved (fully-matured) **“adult” version** of what we (our minds/souls) are each destined to become.
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 1:02pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/34 "2025-12-17T13:02:36Z")
Humankind never evolved at all seeds…there is absolutely zero evidence for that.If it had evolved then you would see all the slow transitionary evidence in the bone records…There is absolutely nothing at all…Zilch!!! …Evolution is another deluded atheistic myth the same as it single big bang myth.
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### Author:  [@seeds](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/seeds)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 1:31pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/35 "2025-12-17T13:31:57Z")
Jupiter123, I’m on your side, but you need to stop assuming that God would not use the processes of evolution to bring lifeforms on Earth up to a point where he (she/it) could then cause them to cross a mental threshold into a state where they can thus become eternal souls **“created in the image”** of the greater SOUL of this universe,…
…of which I suggest is allegorically depicted in the Eden myth of the “mental upgrade” that occurred via the (again, mythical) eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
What do you think the Biblical declaration of humans being God’s **“offspring”** actually means if not us being the “familial” members of the highest species of being in all of reality, as is metaphorically depicted in my illustrations?
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### Author:  [@Ichthus77](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Ichthus77)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 1:49pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/36 "2025-12-17T13:49:12Z")
This is interesting & relevant:
> [@Singularity vs Evolution (Gain of Function)](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/singularity-vs-evolution-gain-of-function/49482/9):
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> The evolution video that shows that various sequences end up at the same shapes. Frontloaded teleology. [http://youtube.com/post/UgkxLNT7\_WxnkxbysyG46gyRYxcdJrkIRnex?feature=shared](http://youtube.com/post/UgkxLNT7_WxnkxbysyG46gyRYxcdJrkIRnex?feature=shared) It would be super interesting to research the tertiary configurations in the same way in terms of what all kinds of configurations result in similar functions, number one. It would also be interesting to do a taxonomy based on the limited number of shapes and functions of various things — rather than, say, commonaliti…
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 1:51pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/37 "2025-12-17T13:51:09Z")
Evolution never happened seeds …simple as that…You can hope it happened …for sure…but that’s takes you into religion.
Reality science is completely different to failed atheistic science. Reality science is cognitively unbiased and balanced for starters whereas mainstream atheistic science WAS cognitively biased and unbalanced because it was all founded upon an atheistically biased ANTI GOD starting philosophy.
Research the scientific finding on the Answers in Genesis web site…they have found red blood cells and skin in/on dinosaur bones… don’t waste your time with atheism’s evolutionary nonsense.
My philosophy and the science derived form it is totally sound and explains the psychological.
God’s science is not founded upon a cognitively biased atheistic starting philsophy Seeds…honestly.
I’m a very very good philosopher…I know my stuff.
I can assure you …you won’t be able to figure out your psychological workings with atheism’s failed philosophy science.
Research the statistics on the number of Gen Z’rs that are turning back to God…they are seeing the reality and legacy that the religious cult of atheism is leaving them.
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### Author:  [@seeds](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/seeds)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 2:13pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/38 "2025-12-17T14:13:07Z")
> [@abc1231](#):
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> My philosophy and the science derived form it is totally sound and explains the psychological.
If your philosophy and the science derived from it does not picture God…
_(the Creator of an estimated 2 trillion galaxies of suns and planets)_
…as being as far above us humans in scope and consciousness as humans are above amoebas\* or flies, then you need to look a little deeper into the issue.
_ **\*** (More accurately, as far above us in scope and consciousness as our mother was above us when we momentarily existed as an embryo within her womb.)_
Do you have a problem with me suggesting that God is infinitely more wondrous than what humans have previously imagined?
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### Author:  [@abc1231](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/abc1231)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 2:16pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/39 "2025-12-17T14:16:55Z")
My philosophy and science is totally sound Seeds…I don’t guess like atheists… I know.
God is amazing …full of love and compassion…
Atheists get the REALITY Righteous God totally confused with the binary ATHEISTIC devil god of the physical world.
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### Author:  [@seeds](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/seeds)
#### Post date: [December 17, 2025, 2:19pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/argument-for-gods-existence/84197/40 "2025-12-17T14:19:58Z")
Please stop arguing with me as if you were arguing with an atheist.
**I am not an atheist.**
Like I said earlier, I’m on your side.
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