Armed standoff at Portland

i mean here ya go…

Credibility
Ngo’s credibility and objectivity as a journalist has been extensively criticized. Ngo has been accused of using selectively edited videos and sharing misleading and inaccurate information to paint antifa activists as violent, and to underplay the violence of the far-right[87] with Columbia Journalism Review accordingly describing Ngo as a “discredited provocateur”.[88] Some of Ngo’s contentions about antifa have been rated as “false” by fact-checker Politifact.[89] Several sources have declined to refer to Ngo as a “journalist”.[12][90] Philosopher Jason Stanley contended in an interview with the Southern Poverty Law Center that Ngo promotes a false equivalence between left and right-wing political violence in the U.S.[85]

Ngo has also attracted criticism for allegedly associating with the same far-right groups that he purports to report on.[20][21][91] After Ngo was assaulted by left-wing protestors in Portland in 2019, the Portland-based newspaper Willamette Week quoted an unnamed Proud Boys member as saying that the attack on Ngo “happened because he ignored Proud Boys’ offer of protection”.[18] The paper further asserted “it is increasingly clear [Ngo] is coordinating his movements and his message with right-wing groups”.[18]

Ngo’s brand of journalism has been referred to as “busybody journalism”,[33] and it has been contended that Ngo seeks to provoke left-wing violence. BuzzFeed News reported that “[Ngo]'s literal brand is that anti-fascists are violent and loathe him”, adding that he “has been building to a dramatic confrontation with the Portland far left for months, his star rising along with the severity of the encounters…[Ngo] is willing to make himself the story and to stream himself doing it. He proceeds from a worldview and seeks to confirm it, without asking to what degree his coverage becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy”.[23] Conversely, California State University extremism expert Brian Levin stated that Ngo was "a political pundit who certainly makes the most out of his conflicts, which sometimes turn violent on him…But to his credit, I’ve never seen him be the physical aggressor in the posts that he’s made generally.”[92]

gloominary serious question…

did you know any of this stuff about the guy you cited? if not, are you embarrassed to have cited him now?

It’s funny - watching those two get triggered. :laughing:

the things about conservatives is, they always cite
sources that are dubious at best… bitchute or faux news or
some loser like Tucker Carlsen or Tomi Lahren…

I would hope that conservatives would cite people who
has a better track record then Tucker… but I guess I am
asking for too much…

Kropotkin

You’ve been lied to smears. Mr. Ngo is an honest american patriot who was attacked by a vicious milkshake thrown by the antifascist fascists. This is an undisputed fact.

K: I dispute it… It seems clear from what I have read, he has a very loose relationship
with the truth… as does most conservatives…he is just another kid conservative
who is clueless about what is real and what isn’t…clueless young conservatives,
I think I despise young conservatives more then any other group…

they think they know stuff when they don’t know jackshit…

Kropotkin

No they cite the actual video evidence and they have to go to conservative networks to see the actual videos instead of - “There are reports that an anonymous informer said that this person did this terrible thing. We should all hate that person for doing such terrible things” - close to half the time those stories turn out to be false but the MSM propagandists don’t wait to find the truth. They don’t care about truth at all - and it shows for those who bother to check around other networks.

Conservatives - maintain the structure - not always focused on truth.
Liberals - change and destroy the structure - liberate from and forget truth.

In all countries, conservatives do not concern themselves with truth over narrative but most in the West, especially now, go to the trouble of verifying their sources and if they cannot, they state and make a point that they cannot verify the story. In the East and Middle East conservationism is about maintaining the narrative (just as it is with the social authoritarian liberals in the West).

The battle is largely between Truth vs Narrative propaganda.

MSM propaganda => provably all about Narrative propaganda - shown time and time and time again to have lied with no apology. “Silence the opposition.That is what socialists do.

Western Conservatives => “Truth is on our side” - expose it - prove it - don’t allow the lies - but don’t try to silence the opposition.

Neither is perfect but right now in the West, there is a HUGE difference between the two modes of operation with conservatives trying to be as transparent as possible (like Mr Trump’s willingness to face the hostile media) and the socialist authoritarian liberals being constantly opaque and deceptive (like O’Biden’s hiding and refusing to take questions even from a very friendly media).

To find the truth you have to look for it. And that means examining all sides and the dark. It takes effort. But that takes too much trouble for you propaganda pundits - and you might accidentally see something uncomfortable.

and I might point out that James O’Keefe, Veritas project has been
accused of doctoring video as well as Andy Ngo, which has been
shown on such entertainment channels as Faux news, and Oan…

addition: I missed the recent attempt by Sean Hannity to doctor video’s
of Biden…

doctoring photos and video’s is a long time GOP tactic…

Kropotkin

Have you ever tried to doctor an entire video or in some cases multiple videos of the same event? They change Mr Trump’s words from his speeches - multiple recordings of them? That is a lot of trouble - especially considering they would be sued in a heart beat. Why is it that the conservative networks don’t preach to not listen to MSM and rather often display them preaching their propaganda gospel?

And then why doesn’t MSM show the real video to refute and expose the deception? Why do the MSM propagandists refuse to investigate anything unless it is a obscure accusation of Mr Trump? Why don’t they apologize after then have been caught lying? Why does MSM try to silence the conservative networks rather than show the truth and let it be proven? Instead they depend on hidden “whistle-blowers” spreading rumor which more often than not turn out to be complete lies - and proven so (such as both the Russia Hoax and the Ukraine Hoax - used to distract from the COVID outbreak).

The differences between them is stark. But you still have to watch both honestly for a while to see it. You would never be able to manage that. So of course you are stuck in your bubble. :smiley:

K: I am not looped into the right wing conspiracy theorists bubble…
I actually only watch sports on tv…I don’t watch the news…
to get news I go online…

Kropotkin

Yes - you are “looped” into Left wing conspiracy theories - “The Right is doing this. The Right is doing that!” - distracting from the extreme malpractice, perjury, contempt, and betrayal of the Left.

  • Just typical Satanism - accuse the other party of your own sins.

That’s obvious. And explains a lot of ignorance.

“links with militant right wing groups”? You believe that Andy Ngo, an Asian, is secretly a white supremacist or conspiring with the white supremacists accused of beating elderly Asians? LOLz!

:laughing:

Ngo craves exposure of himself hospitalized with a skull fracture that was made by those imaginary Antifa fairies during their peaceful protests. Them beating him for reporting their fiery but peaceful activities wouldn’t have anything to do with him not wanting to let them bully entire cities, let alone anyone who opposes their summer of love fests?

Let us know when you show credible evidence. Maybe an Ngo news clip that obviously shows what Wiki, Google, Politifact, all third party fact checkers, NYT, and all the non libtarded MSM have verified about Ngo.

Evidence from leftists is rare to non existent.

Oh, you watched that five minute attack that blackened Ngo’s eye and broke bones?
If you did, it wasn’t the joke you make it out to be.

so when i call you an idiot with one line, you write it off as lacking substance. then when i give you substance, you come back with this. no one is triggered man. i’m trying to help you idiots out. ive said it before and will say it again, my well being isn’t tied to how society is doing and i’ll thrive no matter who holds what office. you’re the one who cant calm down about the derp state and the socialists and how your daddy trump is somehow the victim of it all. out here trying to pass off some and ngo i mean dude there is no way you’re this stupid you have to be trolling.

are you saying that because he is asian that his politics aren’t what they are?

And you believing that could well explain why you couldn’t care less if what you say is true.

It is like those daft shellas you have in your congress who know that none of their adolescent policies will affect them because their super wealthy puppet masters will keep them on the gravy train - so they freely spout whatever their puppet masters want - exactly like O’Biden.

You and they don’t care - just as you have said. And for that reason, your belief that it doesn’t affect you - none of you should be allowed the slightest authority over anyone.

I wonder what makes Ngo a ‘conservative’ journalist and not just a journalist who may, or may not happen to be conservative?

Just because his coverage is controversial, doesn’t necessarily mean it’s inaccurate.

Just because he has links to ‘militant’ rightwing groups, doesn’t mean he shares their politics, that’s guilt by association.
A liberal journalist at CNN may have links to anarchists because he’s making a documentary film about them, that doesn’t make him an anarchist.