Army, Navy and Air force all demand......

That Donald Rumsfeld resign. In a rare joint editorial in
the Army Times, the Air Force times and the Navy Times all
call for the resignation of the Secretary of Defense Donald
Rumsfeld. If you lose the armed forces, you have clearly
screwed up beyond belief. This was the lead story in
taegan Goddard’s “Political wire”

Edit: I just went to the navy times online site and its the first
article there.

Kropotkin

right after kerry apologizes again but means it.

-Imp

Man, IMP even by your standards that was a weak
response. You have nothing and so you went to some
week old kerry story. The U.S Army, navy and air force
are in a position to know what is going on, and they
all agree, Rumsfeld must go. In any situation, if
the leader loses the confidendence of the people
underneath him/her, then they must go. It is the usual
practice in any leadership situation. What the military
is really saying without saying it, that they have lost
confidence in bush and the military is making rumsfeld the
whipping boy (and that is a great idea, I’l bring the whips
or the post)

Kropotkin

Excellent!!! This has made my day. Take him out and shoot him. (I’m not kidding)

VIVA LA REVOLUTION!! :laughing:

[size=75](I better go back to mundane home… I’m getting to serious here and it’s frightening me)[/size]

no, what you have is life long bureaucrats in the pentagon getting pissed at rummy who has been rearranging and fixing the military for the last 5 years. we are fighting a new hot war on terror and the old system is set up to fight the ussr. rummy is getting the military in tune with the times, modernizing it, making it more effective. rummy has done and is doing a great job and the bureaucrats are getting sacked because they are no longer needed (which are the ONLY left wing propagandists’ experts- the rest of the leaders think rummy and bush are GREAT. selective outrage from the left wing). it is a question of effective military budgeting rather than democRAT total destruction of the military. the time for slavery to the state is finished. see you at the polls.

-Imp

It’s eerie eh…

Like watching a crazy person rant at the mirror…

then refute what I said.

-Imp

Haha… easily.

The knighted Rumsfeld is working for World Banker Interests to develop the army in such a way that it will be able to squash any internal ‘threat’. The different military branches do not like this interior prison state which is being erected to quell the anger from the war on a terror that more and more people (you will soon when you understand the how and whys behind 110 story buildings turning into volcano sized ash – IE explosives) are realizing is nothing more than a money and power grab.

I mean… refute what you said… you don’t understand – everything you say is a lie. I know you arn’t aware of this… but you will be soon.

So the only way he can lose his job is if he resigns or Bush fires him? Both highly unlikely. The president is the only one with the power to fire him because he was appointed by him. Is this correct? Or does the secretary of defense go through the impeachment process as well? America has such god damn screwball politics.

Impenitent:
no, what you have is life long bureaucrats in the pentagon getting pissed at rummy who has been rearranging and fixing the military for the last 5 years. we are fighting a new hot war on terror and the old system is set up to fight the ussr. rummy is getting the military in tune with the times, modernizing it, making it more effective. rummy has done and is doing a great job and the bureaucrats are getting sacked because they are no longer needed (which are the ONLY left wing propagandists’ experts- the rest of the leaders think rummy and bush are GREAT. selective outrage from the left wing). it is a question of effective military budgeting rather than democRAT total destruction of the military. the time for slavery to the state is finished. see you at the polls.

K: So much here that is simply wrong, where shall I begin?
Ok, lets start with rummy and the great job he has done.
The military is performance driven. And let us judge his work
in the military based on Iraq. Is Iraq a success or a failure?
By any standard you want to use, Iraq is a failure. No doubts
about it. So if rummy is a success, then you are blaming our
troops for the failure in Iraq. If the leaders are being successful
and you still have failure, then you are blaming the workers,
and in this case the American troops. Personally, I think the troops
are doing a great job. It is a shame you have to blame the troops
for the failure in Iraq. I have worked for a living for 30 years and
I have found out, 9 times out of ten when you have a failure of this
sort, it is management fault and management here is rummy.
By the way, Boener third in line in the GOP house position,
blame the troops about 5 days ago, in a interview with CNN
with wolf blitzer. It is a shame to blame the troops and very sad.

To say the newspapers of the army, navy and air force is
a bastion of leftism is ludicrous beyond belief.
And no one in their right mind would even consider in any
way, shape or form those newspapers as a home to liberals.

Kropotkin

of course I will be…

:unamused:

-Imp

Rules of logic require that the burden of proof is on you, Impenitent. You’ve asserted:

  1. That all of the complaints about Rumsfeld coming from the military are coming from “bureaucrats.”

  2. That these “bureaucrats” are also “left-wing.”

  3. That what they’re complaining about is Rumsfeld’s reorganizing of the military to fight against terrorist groups rather than the U.S.S.R.

You have provided nothing in the way of evidence or reasoning in support of any of those assertions. Nobody has to prove you wrong, because you have yet to give us any reason to take what you say seriously. Do so, and then perhaps a rebuttal will be in order.

imp,

See this is what I mean.

The thought of Rumsfeld working for someone other then… lol Bush upsets your little dualistic world of Democrat and Republican. Every time i talk about this stuff you either flat out don’t respond, or you respond with someone along the lines of what we see above.

I hate to break to ya man, but the US ain’t free and it ain’t even close to what you think it is. Believe me Clinton was just as bad but he was more subtle and smart about it. That’s the thing, the Bilderberg group meetings we know now are full of fights and shit. The plan has been there all along, but they’re worried Bush and his gang of morons are going too fast – which they are.

Fuck, I mean they can’t get anything by me, but I can tell by your answers that you sense something is wrong, and well you should because there is – it’s right in front of everyone’s faces.

Haebus corpus and all the other laws I can’t pronounce that he’s knocked down. I mean… that happened! Don’t you care? Of course you do…

Call me what you want, roll your eyes, but you know I’m right. I have been all along.

sorry. you want the proof? follow the magic LINKS

"Army Times Publishing Company is a United States company which published publications regarding the US military. Founded in 1940, it was purchased by the Gannett Company in August 1997. They publish four weekly newspapers geared towards current and former US military personel, collectively called the Military Times Media Group: Army Times (founded 1940), Navy Times (founded 1951), Air Force Times (founded 1947), and Marine Corps Times. "

or are you going to say that the gannett company is a subsidiary of fox news?

sorry pk, your anti-rummy editorial is left wing bullshit as I have shown once again.

but I am glad to hear you support the troops now.

-Imp

no, og wanted to dismiss what I had said, the burden was on him. see my latest post to pk and see the evidence.

-Imp

sure you have… exactly right.

-Imp

Hmm… I don’t have time to respond to all of it because I need to be going and do other things today. But I’ll try to pick something from this massive display of insanity.

The main thing that we decide the success of a war on is not the general loss of life, it’s whether we have accomplished the goal we went to war to accomplish. The loss of life goes into deciding the MORALITY of the war. Have we accomplished any of the goals we pretended to go to war for? No (with the exception of capturing Saddam.) We have yet to establish a working government, find any weapons of mass destruction, capture Osama bin Laden, or any of that crap. Thus, Iraq is a failure.

Of course the other factor going into deciding the morality of the situation would be whether we had any right to go to war with Iraq in the first place, which many will argue is a NO.

K: So much here that is simply wrong, where shall I begin?
Ok, lets start with rummy and the great job he has done.
The military is performance driven. And let us judge his work
in the military based on Iraq.

IMP: no, let’s judge his work on the entire military. shall we judge clinton only by monica?"

K: you do.

The next part is the military is close to collapse.
It is overstretch and rundown. We have to keep recalling people
who have been released from military duty and we have to keep
renewing the national guard into longer and longer tours of duty.
That is not a sign of success, but of failure.

K: Is Iraq a success or a failure?
By any standard you want to use, Iraq is a failure.

IMP: you are wrong. Iraq is a success. think about it. in what other war have we fought, that even lasted even 1/10 as long as this one, have we lost so few troops?"

K: I need to know what drugs you take that allows you
to utterly avoid reality, Really, I need to know. We cannot
even defend Baghdad anymore. I suggest we will be DRIVEN out
of Iraq within 2 years, so bush will not even need to worry about
leaving his disaster to the next (democratic) administration.

K: No doubts about it. So if rummy is a success, then you are
blaming our troops for the failure in Iraq.

IMP: no, I am blaming the lying left wing press for spreading misinformation lies and propaganda against the military.
Iraq is no failure.

K: yah, I like the fact the right is taking to blaming the media for
the failure in Iraq. I recall a time when the right at least pretended to
to accept the idea that accepting personal responsibility actually meant
something.

K: If the leaders are being successful and you still have failure,
then you are blaming the workers, and in this case the American troops.

IMP: no, that is what left wing bankrupt politicians do like kerry[/b]

K: Clearly, if rummy is succeeding and you still have failure,
the only ones left to blame are the troops. I say rummy and bush
have failed, I have never in any post at any time ever said the troops
have failed in Iraq.

Personally, I think the troops are doing a great job. It is a shame
you have to blame the troops for the failure in Iraq.

IMP: right.

K: Thank you for agreeing with me about the job the troops are doing.

K: I have worked for a living for 30 years and
I have found out, 9 times out of ten when you have a failure of this
sort, it is management fault and management here is rummy.

IMP: and where is the failure?"

K: We cannot even defend Baghdad, we cannot protect our people there,
we cannot root out the insurgence, the Iraqi infrastructure has collapsed
and in Baghdad ( we don’t have reporters anywhere else because its too
dangerous) you can’t get running fresh water, electricity for only
an hour or two during the day, and over 100 people a day are being
killed in the civil war you claim doesn’t exist. So Once again I offer you
paid for by me, a free two week trip to Iraq. It is clearly a vacation spot
surpassing Maui and Fla, So will you take me up on my offer of two weeks
in Iraq, out side of Baghdad.

K: By the way, Boener third in line in the GOP house position,
blame the troops about 5 days ago, in a interview with CNN
with wolf blitzer. It is a shame to blame the troops and very sad.

IMP: right. democRATS love the military. "

K: we aren’t chicken hawks who use deferment after deferment to
get out of Vietnam.

K: To say the newspapers of the army, navy and air force is
a bastion of leftism is ludicrous beyond belief.

IMP:: who owns them? who is on the editorial board? WHO?!?[/b]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Times … ng_Company

K: And no one in their right mind would even consider in any
way, shape or form those newspapers as a home to liberals.

IMP: sorry. you want the proof? follow the magic LINKS
"Army Times Publishing Company is a United States company which published publications regarding the US military. Founded in 1940, it was purchased by the Gannett Company in August 1997. They publish four weekly newspapers geared towards current and former US military personel, collectively called the Military Times Media Group: Army Times (founded 1940), Navy Times (founded 1951), Air Force Times (founded 1947), and Marine Corps Times. "

K: My father owned and ran a newspaper for a long time.
You don’t do well if you aren’t in sync with your readers.
And regardless of who owns it, they must be (or they lose readers
rapidly) in sync with the readers. For example, here in California,
the San Francisco chronicle is owned by the Hearst family, the
Hearst family is very right wing, but San Francisco is left wing
so to keep readers the paper must stay in tune with its readers and
be left wing. In other areas, the paper must be in tune with its readers,
in a conservative area, a liberal newspaper will fail, fast.
So despite who owns it, the newspapers must stay in tune
with its readers and the military is conservative, so to keep
readers, the owners must keep be conservative.

IMP: or are you going to say that the gannett company is a subsidiary of fox news?
sorry pk, your anti-rummy editorial is left wing bullshit as I have shown once again.

K: Simple knowledge of how newspapers run is all that
is needed.

Kropotkin

Everyone, this is what a defense mechanism looks like. ^

You think I need to prove anything to you?

This ain’t a philosophy essay, this is social sciences. You’re smart enough, if you can get past your well established mental roadblocks (or should I say ‘homeland security checkpoints’) you’ll see the facts.

It’s that simple. If you look into this stuff you will find I’m correct. Go crazy: spend an hour on google. Watch the video in my sig… do something.

No, it’s not a secret, and it’s not a conspiracy.

Seriously, enough is enough… I mean, you say ‘DemocRAT’… like… what the fuck.

I don’t give a rat’s ass about morality

we continue to win.

see you on tuesday

-Imp