As Hillary Surges in Polls, US & Russia Closer to War

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We are hurtling towards a war on the back of Hillary’s Foreign Policy blunders, including advertising her war plans for Aleppo. Russia reacted to destroying Aleppi’s water network, bombing aid trucks, the hospital, and increasing attacks on the population. Hillary’s War Plans are a complete failure, there is nothing in Aleppo to save at this point increasingly, and certainly by the time Trump or Hillary enters office.

Syria is already a bombed out shithole, people who could flee have done so. It happened at it’s worst points on Obama’s and Hillary’s watch.

We have a decent chance of making legitimately friendly overtures to Russia if Trump wins. Russia isn’t in a position to win a war against the US if Trump or Hillary wins, it wouldn’t even be that costly to America per say given how weak Russia is, but can we be certain that countries like Turkey will want to stay in NATO if we go to war, or Southeast Europe? Europe would be ripped apart, especially with their “green initiatives” and deep reliance on Russian gas.

Right now, the Russians are scarred they are dying off, and it isn’t a unfounded fear, they honestly are, but they still have enough of a state apparatus left in their arm forces to force limited victories, and their weapons and machanations can sting us in ways other nations can’t, a legacy of the cold war. I don’t agree with Hillary’s desire to resurrect to cold war, this time around it is far more certain to go hot. In the Russian mind, military victories = prestige and national pride, and in that metaphysics, somehow bizarrely this makes babied. It hasn’t so far, and won’t, it can only cost them.

Which gets to my point, why us the left in the US intentionally picking a fight with a obviously weaker state, one easy to predict? It isn’t one easy to predict if your Obama, he seems always caught off guard, and never knows how to respond, but it is obvious what Putin wants, and the paradox that lies within. He wants more Russians, and more independent capital that the west can’t manipulate. He can’t breed more russians, he can’t Cline them, his shirtless calender shoots isn’t increasing anyone’s libido. Only way he can find them is in the former Soviet Sphere, Russians lay all over, and when he finds a population anywhere just over the border, he annexs it. He doesn’t care, he can locally take on any opposition.

The whole time, as Russia shrugs off Soviet athiesm like a wet dog water, it has come back like never before into Christian Orthodoxy, a religion like Catholicism, but more Roman and Obstanate, with a long history of struggle against Islamic. They honestly don’t like Sunni, Russia’s international allies are all Shia, but there barely are any Shia in Russia, it’s mostly Sunni.

There isn’t going to he a star wars droud army in Russia’s future. The very population it us fighting overseas is largely recruited from it’s own territories, and it will over the next two generations continue the war, getting international fighters as the Russian state army dusintergrates.

Question is, will it disintegrate because the US blew it up, or because it never got enough younger soldiers to join due to a terminal decline of it’s birthrates?

We shouldn’t be engaging in these wars with them. Defend Ukraine, fine, defend Arabs in Syria, fine- if we know what Russia wants, it us very easy to accommodate them. We need to start now with a patent that diminishes hostility and decreases direct threats, such as Hillary’s absurd no fly zone- if we enforce it at this point we enforce it against russia, and will have to take out it’s ground to air missles, too. We would have to fly into Iran and take out the Russian Air Base, take out their Air Craft Carrier off the coast if Turkey, invade north through Turkey eradicating air bases- that is the hair trigger we are on if we try to call Putin’s bluff, and he can only lose from it. It will cost us men, but he can only lose. Don’t push him into that cornet. He isn’t immortal, he will die eventually, and the Russian Federation is certain to be rain torn between Christians and Sunni. The Russians, if we are not hostile to them, have a few generating of increasing cooperation, will turn to us, fleeing the crumbling remains if the federation to join NATO and Europe. We will have to deal with that issue over the next four generations by default. Putin cannot solve it, doesn’t know how to, may not care either.

We really need a peaceful resolution in Syria. Syria is never going to be friendly to the US. Nobody likes us there except the Kurds. Nobody.

If Hillary gets in, we will see hostilities blown out of the water. She can barely keep her head up above water with Trump. You saw how she freaked out during the Arab Spring betraying Qaddafi, world leaders in a similar position will know she is iffhinged and can’t be trusted. She us proven incompetent and easy to rattle. A hell of alot more is on the line than “who looks more presidential” or “who says the sweetest things”. We need someone who can disentagke us from this Hillary-ISIS mess, the one Russia is now stuck in the muddle of too. Hillary can only lead to more death.

I don’t give a fuck about Putin, I’m not a big fan of Russia, but we shouldn’t overlook the real opportunity to PREVENT A WAR. Everyone is crying about Trump and Nukes- Trump isn’t the proven war monger like hillary is. She makes sloppy plans, advertises defence strategies months and months in advance. ISIS and Al-Nursa isn’t impressed with out bluffs anymore, they know we only attack under Obama with a secure rear and ample auxiliary troops in support, and they have been very well fortified for over a year. I guarantee you they don’t much pay attention anymore. It is a massive fucking joke. We’ve already caused a lot of damage though her and Obama’s actions.

We be a lot better off just finishing the war. Putin would be less threatened, eobt probe the Baltics as much. They would invest more in their industry for exports to the west, integrating their economy if they felt less threatened by us. I see no reason why we should head that route. It is a impossibility under Hillary, it is possible under Trump. There are far worst things than getting cozy with the enemy, that’s antagonizing them, forcing needless war. We can start the long process of bringing Russia into the fold under Trump, it is a impossibility under Hillary.

Vote No for War, Elect Trump, send Hillary packing to jail. She has no place in our modern political discourse. We can afford either war or peace, but can our allies survive? Just because we can, should we seek mindless war like Hillary is? Great nations don’t pick on lesser nations because they can, but fight only when they must. We can easy avoid this warvwith Putin by electing Trump, not Hillary. Peace can still be a beautiful thing, I ask the left not to throw it away for more cold war redux.

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You’re a propagandist. And a poor one at that. Donald Trump is a fucking moron and an embarrassment to America. Only a very small fraction of the electorate shares your fucked up, radical right belief system.

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Is Mr. Unreasonable a paid troll for Hillary Clinton? (Add in Peter Kropotkin also.)

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Joker, don’t be like Uccisore and Turd. Know your own bias.

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:laughing: That’s rich coming from you.

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We are facing war, watch him light one up while muttering about the Koch Brothers.

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Republicans are the warmongers. Bush Sr and Bush Jr anyone?

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As I’ve stated elsewhere the only thing more dangerous than Clinton starting war with Russia is Obama.

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If it’s Clinton you guys choose, Im reeally going to make sure to enjoy the show. I’ll be visiting some Brazilian posters.

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If Clinton wins Fixed Cross make sure you have a nuclear shelter you can sneak into and get acquainted with eating a diet of cockroaches the next fifteen years underground if you have no other food resources.

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Brazil has no nukes. That is why. The whole continent wisely abstained.

I just realize Clinton may actually get elected. Hitler got elected and he was a man. She has the ultimate deception going for her.

:neutral_face: :neutral_face: :neutral_face: :arrow_right:

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What part of global as in global thermonuclear war did you not understand?

There’s no escaping to another continent to be safe and live out the rest of your days. Nope.

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just watch.

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You need to stop watching fear porn. Nobody will benefit from nuclear war (except you, of course).

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Are you even following international news or events right now?

This might surprise you but I’ve never desired or supported the annihilation of all life on the planet. I’ve stated it is possible and could happen but even I don’t want that to happen.

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And Hillary or Gary Johnson isn’t? All three of them would be endless material for playground jokes and banter.

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Mr. Reasonable and Peter Kropotkin are liberal progressive authoritarian morons.

You can’t take anything they say seriously especially the talking points they get from constantly watching MSNBC jerking off to Rachael Maddow.

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This is what the US will look like if we elect Hillary because she “says more liberal things” (only says) and “acts more presidential”.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=nx1TVEvVf10

And I don’t think Russia will nuke us, but any engagement, while the US will win, will cause more casualties than Iraq a few times over. People really don’t grasp just how very, very few we lost compared to wars in general, we were well below the 0.05% lost balance annually of our population. Russians lack many advantages, many will die easily from bring outmaneuvered, but some will get in good strikes because Russia isn’t completely devoid of good military commanders. They can counter us when they have quality troops, quality leaders, and the terrain is just right. Most Russian territory is absolutely terrible for checking an American advance, but not all. They will get in a few punches before going down, and ISIS and Al Nursa will fill that void, because you know if people were getting huffy and puffy in rebuilding Iraq up till 2011 (which did work, what ultimately failed was Obama and Hillary failing to maintain troops and ties with and within Iraq), theybeould go insane with Russian militias pelting US troops in Russia with snipers. Their average infantryman isn’t too unlike ours, in that once completely cut off from the military, can individually choose to become a very destructive guerilla. I’m not talking like a third world Marxist insurgency, I’m talking collapsing structural supports to buildings with shape charges that has a US headquarters in it, accurately shooting missiles (Iran never had good aim, Russians can aim) knocking out satellite communications, taking out Chinook resupply to bases, ambushing supply convoys on the ground.

We can destroy the Russian state, we can prevent them from reorganizing into something effective. We can’t occupy them for long. Be it a short border strike or deep penetration, shit isn’t being occupied for long in the Russian West. We can hold the Urals to the Pacific with ease, we can take Arctic cities, but don’t think we are going to be sitting comfortably with US tanks in the western areas of Russia without a long term trickle if casualties coming in much higher than Iraq. A limited border tussle or limited deep strike war with russia, like Cohen Powell’s counter attack, pushing Iraq out of Saudi Arabia and Kuwait and a limited push into Iraq would work, but we would have to pull out quickly afterwards. If the Russia state survives that, how long will international embargo be enforced/last? We kept the Iraqi embargo going from Bush Senior, through both Bill Clinton terms, till George W Bush- four administrations. Look how long Cuba… How long would we have to maintain it with Russia? Would they in response just sell anything and everything to every threat and enemy to us in the world? Would they flood the terror markets with their best weapons in resoibe, seeing no other way to get us off them?

Russia needs breathing room to get over the Soviet Collapse. They still very much see the US as enemies. They still have a mono-economy, based on resource exports. Their men die young, they aren’t making babies, and it certainly isn’t from a lack of land, they give out land free in some parts of Russia.

It is much, much wiser to recognize Syria will never like us, Russia currently hates us- no doubt, they hate us, and instead of confronting them, we should start backing off, and try to befriend them. Putin will never trust Hillary, but he us surrounded by oligarchs very similar to Trump. I have no doubt he will try to play him just once to see if Trump is gullible like Obama, easily swayed and tricked, but will only get one chance, and Trump will slam down hard. Putin has a country full of blowhards like trump. Putin only has one person in Russia like Hillary, and that’s KGB Putin. Putin will never trust her. She doesn’t even know why she fights, and kacis the strategic knowledge and control to take hold of international events when they do implode… and historically they do at the start of every new presidential administration, testing the waters for his we will respond. Hillary freaked out at the Arab Spring, is making a pariah out of a old enemy, has no plan for responding to wikileaks, which will survive purely inspire of her even if she kills Assange. She will make no efforts to close Tue southern borders, she has no viable plan anymore for Syria, cause the dumb idiot posted her plan online, Putin read it, and is actively depopulating Aleppo in a way we can’t fix without massive troops on the ground and a airbwar with Russia- she has already caused a humanitarian tradgedy in Aleppo, with ISIS, with sacrificing Qaddafi and Egypt. Egypt isn’t around because of her, it to s around because it rejected her.

We don’t have long term NATO stability, costs are breaking us without a substantial reorganization, and I don’t trust Merkle and Clinton standing behind a podium to solve it with diplo-speech talking points. It will just result in European states giving blank stares saying "what about our economy, our socialism? "

Our own medical system is imploring, she will do nothing to fix it, she isn’t about to risk scrapping Obama care to appease the left, despite the fact we absolutely must, moving on to something more readonable.

We will rapidly turn into the guy fro the video, acting PC and liberal, shoeing how nice and sweet culture and “superior educated people” behave, and then will turn red rave and dying once we realize there isn’t a safe pepper left on the left in which to eat.

The entire political agenda of the left has been reprogramming Americans to reject the right on any basis, to secure more votes. They say "your educated elites, your smarter than them, be like us, oppose them, we stand for the rights of “X”. Young women see attractive women join, do they in turn join, thinking they really are working hard for them. Druggies see they offer maximum negligence and freedoms, join them. Long targeted minorities are more or less conditioned. What the Democrats have done to bkacks and Hispanics over decades is abhilorrent, but they have been so deeply conditioned to never bite the had that feeds them that they would never betray their masters at their s point. It isn’t the liberal thing to do. It is always classy and popular to be “liberal”.

End result, minorities continue to be more and more oppressed, Democrats move away from any market reforms, hillary in completely in bed with wall street. We have millions dying from drugs- you’ve heard of some dying locally, I know this… It is all one big party till everyone starts dying, and by that point people are too addicted culturally to stop. We have no foreign policy on Hillary’s part now, our alliances are breaking down, she is picking fights to get everyone’s attention away from her own short comings not merely as a presidential candidate, but as a human bring. She us a deeply flawed, fucked up person who thinks she is above the law, has laughed in the face ogbour legal system for decades, attracts enemies like nobody else.

Why? Why vote for her? Is it because the is a woman? No, nobody, not even feminists are doing it for that reason, and I can price this easily. I will mention two words to you, just two words, if your a diehard feminist, I want you to think about your knee jerk reaction to hatred here:

Sarah Palin

Your pussed, your disgusted. Why? Obama and Hillary said not to, you decided to reject her off political spin, Katie Coyric did a interview, demonized her. The line “I can see Russia from my house” pops into mind. She lives in Wassila, I’ve been there many times while stationed in Alaska, it is a suburb if Alaska. You can see Mount Everest/Denali, not Russia. You’ve been programmed to think automatically a woman trying to be vice-president was a absolute idiot, and accepted it. Can you think of any of her actions as governor, policies she had? No. You can’t, had you ever looked, it never would of occurred to you to hate her so much. She is very liberal in her governorship, running the mist green friendly state in the union, with the highest level of socialism our country ever achieved. She was a powerful politician. They very people who told you not to vote for her are now telling you to vote for Hillary. If you don’t vote for Hillary, the evil white men will enslave the bkacis, lock women into kitchens, and nuke russia. The only people who can possibly vote for trump are angry white men, and they are dying off, don’t worry about them.

That is a policy of divide and conquer. It is a perpetual encouragement of race wars, nothing cones of it. We shouldn’t be turning our backs on anyone, much less excusing our actions by doing it. How would you feel if libertarians said to just ignore black women, they are dying off, unimportant, only thing that matters is the latino vote, or the Green Party excuse getting rid and defeating the Asian Vote cause all they do is eat sharks and dolphins, and are too small of a group to worry about, let’s have a race ear to isolate them instead.

This is what Democrats do. Republicans try, are nowhere near as successful. Trump is the first presidential candidate we’ve had in generations that can give a fuck about the establishment in either party. He isn’t setting out with a policy other than to aggressively dismantle ISIS and Al Nursa, to befriend Russia (why shoulder be fearful of friendship?) and to renegotiate the financial pacts of alliances. He has no plans to invade others beyond that. His concerns are public works, rebuilding our roads, bridges, hoarder walls. That wall will significantly close down mexican drug cartel access to the US. It will break the backs of those Cartels, making it very easy to end the war in Mexico, and save millions of lives from drug overdoses in the decades to come here.

It is very wise all around, Hillary is very dangerous and corrupt all around.

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Britain and America released a joint press statement the other day, stating that they have no intention of going to war with Russia any time soon, and that there is nothing left to save in or of Syria.

Is that the plan… to break, and then rebuild the place into what they want?

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Hey MagsJ could you post or link that statement… questionark – alien keyboard