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(Yes, I think this belongs in the current events/political forum. It’s overriding objective is passing off it’s political message, even though some will claim it is subliminal. It isn’t, but would it make a difference if it was?)

My score of 50 is an average of two scores. On an artistic level, it is stunningly beautiful, not only in the scenery and variety of life, but also in the originality of it’s characters from language and mannerisms down even to the “costumes”. In all this it is an absolute 10.

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From the very opening scene, the political agenda is apparent, immediately deriding as it does, the evil corporations from Earth. Not only is it simple minded, it descends as the movie progresses into the theater of the absurd where corporations, capitalism, private enterprise and technology are inherently and completely bad, while nature and using no technology beyond a bow and arrow (except for the occasional appropriated machine gun) is good–with Mother Nature contradictorily providing the supernatural magic to make up for what technology doesn’t provide the American Indian like aboriginals. The dichotomy becomes so over the top by the end, that the film’s beauty is completely overwhelmed by the ugliness of its irrational hack job of a message. The only thing missing was an ending with some stupid sentimental gesture like throwing a priceless gem into the ocean–which is effectively what he’s done with the talent he (or somebody) obviously has.

I haven’t seen it. But the best stories have always been about good and evil. Even Grendel probably had some good qualities, once you got to know him.

I absolutely agree. But the depiction of good and evil must be rational. This movie actually “reveals” the primitive worship of supernatural-Nature as a religion–a religion as irrational and based in blind faith as any other “revealed” religion that has preceded it.

All of my favorite movie/stories are about the conflict between good and evil, and the Truth we must pursue in order to know the difference and to learn who and what we are. Ergo, the best (ok my favorite) movies of the year:

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Up in the Air
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Like Moby-Dick? Lotsa rational thinking going on, there.

Paineful - it’s a movie. Just a movie. Stories don’t have to be "rational’ to be entertaining. They’re just stories.

There would never be a slasher movie if the victims would have just gotten out of the house.

If their only objective is mindless entertainment, yes. But this is, well, I’d say sinister if it wasn’t so obvious. You might as well have said it’s only a book, or an idea…or a religion–being shown to hundreds of millions of people. Truth must be advanced at every turn, and lies must be fought wherever they present themselves.

It’s fiction. Truth need not be advanced at the expense of fiction. That’s why they call it fiction.

As Mark Twain said, “The difference between truth and fiction: fiction has to make sense.”

How does a movie that is all CGI cost $300 to make?

If you don’t have a problem with a mineral being named “unobtainium”, and phrases like “we’re not in Kansas any more”, then this movie is for you. Put it this way, if you liked Spiderman 3, you’ll like this. If not, it’s just another mediocre movie, that happens to be pretty.

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Actually it does no such thing, in the movie what you have called a “religion” was real, and the scientists actually began explaining how it worked very early in the movie. You confuse respect for nature, in a society where the intelligent beings are literally connected to nature, with religion. Further, there was nothing resembling “blind faith” anywhere in the movie, as they could ‘talk’ to nature through the use of appendages, and actually convince nature to help them in the end. There relation to nature was something far beyond the human relation, but this does not make it a religion, it simply means that their psychology is different. And the nature on pandorum was not this passive thing as on earth, they said quite clearly that there was something different about it when they discovered the neuronal type impulses in the tree.

If fact, There was an entire subplot of the scientists, who happened to be the people wanting to stop the corporation, trying to study pandorum so as to find out how it’s nature works.

I’m not much of a movie person and I don’t like comics, but contrary to other people, the majority of whom seem to like the first one best, I actually enjoyed Spiderman 3 the most. I really liked him being a bad guy, but also him “good” inside which kept him within damage limits. Him spiting the girl, but in a very non-betrayal betrayal kind of way…I can’t articulate any better. It was great.

Yeah, but Spidey 3 wasn’t even really that pretty. The visuals in Avatar are awesome–underpinning its powerful draw into the dark side.

Yeah, as real as the supernatural events in the Bible. The religion isn’t real at all, it’s just presented as reality in a fictional setting in order to prey on the blind faith of the religion’s adherents–those who prefer to emote rather than think. I very much respect nature, even worship it, but that doesn’t ironically get me to suspend belief in nature’s laws of nature that govern nature. That’s my whole point, it’s as much a fictional contradiction as it would be in reality.

More propaganda. It’s saying, if your faith in nature is strong enough, we too can have animal-human contact as it depicts–even though the idea is absolute pure fiction. People who are influenced by this or unicorns or romance novels aren’t reasonable, but they are influenced nonetheless because the want to be. It feels good and that’s all that counts.

That’s a separate issue–one with which I can sympathize and wish they stuck too, however trite it would probably have been. And a sup-sub-issue is why was it a corporation and not a government or just a more advanced culture? You will find the answer is Cameron’s agenda that’s already overwhelmed the film.

LOL. Tell us about Wall-E now.

Now you’ve got it.

How were you able to get over the middle 30 minutes of the movie, which was simply a montage of a mediocre looking man walking down the street acting not cool, but like a complete douche bag, yet having every hot chick he passed by be memorized by him when he did shootey motions at them? That along with the bar seen comprise the most trite 45 minutes I’ve ever endured on the big screen.

^ This. Well said.

It was comparable to Dances with Wolves meets Ferngully. I’d call it propoganda if Cameron had made any attempt to be subversive about it. If Greenpeace and the Sierra Club put together a blockbuster movie - Avatar would be their brain child.

I think I’m most disappointed by the fact that all of this was the product of James Cameron - the man that gave us the Abyss, Terminators 1 and 2 and Aliens. At least the “evil” corporations in Aliens and Terminator were minor back-plot filler that supplemented an entertaining story. Not so in Avatar.

I couldn’t even watch it in 3-D. Fail.

I haven’t seen the movie but something about the idea of Titanic King-of-the-World James Cameron making an anti-capitalist blockbuster movie seems slightly hypocritical. Is “anti-capitalist blockbuster movie” an oxymoron or just moronic? Or as Imp would say "I see blue people.’

Sittlichkeit is right about the religion thing. You’re reading way too much into that. Cameron probably just thought it was a cool idea.

I could’ve lived with Unobtainium if they’d set it up a little. They were too serious about it. If they had done something like: “Georgebushium. Atomic weight: 123. We all call it ‘Unobtainium’ because it’s so hard to synthasize in a lab, but it occurs naturally on Pandora.” It’s that simple. I should write screenplays.

Also, I don’t know why you’re so concerned with the nature vs. technology struggle. Do you hate Dances with Wolves or Pocahontas or FernGully?

My biggest complaint with the movie was the line that was clearly added after the story’s conception: “We’ll fight terror with terror!” Give me a break. Things get all confused when the technologically superior foe shoots down the twin tower I mean Hometree.

Visuals were amazing, though. Looking forward to the sequels…I say that because maybe he’ll hire some writers and it’ll end up that the first installment is the worst of the three ala Star Wars.

The Paineful Truth - This movie was just plain terrible. It’s vaguely leftist political agenda was just as laughable as any stupid militaristic movie’s vaguely right wing political agenda. It made me cringe. Nice special effects though.

How exactly was it anti-capitalist though? I didn’t catch that. Unless capitalism is indistinguishable from imperialism.

This guy thinks Avatar is anti-capitalist:

Knee jerk corporation bashing by holding them up as automatically a source of evil, is anti-capitalist–unless you think that corporations are somehow not a (the) tool for attracting investment capital. Has a corporation ever fielded an army, much less an army of conquest? I dare say that if one ever did, it would at that point be a government. Why then would you continue to refer to it as a corporation? Anti-capitalist, class warfare demagoguery perhaps?