# Bacon's idols that impact us today
**URL:** https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772
**Category:** Philosophy
**Created:** [February 17, 2026, 6:25pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772 "2026-02-17T18:25:55Z")
**Posts on this page:** 17
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 12:13am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/21 "2026-02-19T00:13:55Z")
MrAuthoritarian:
"Have the starving masses taken personal responsibility for their collective starvation, squalor, or misery? It’s not the responsibility of society to care for them, truly they must of brought it on themselves within this liberal free society of ours. It’s the only explanation. " - Peter Kropotkin
K: sounds like you took this out of context, could we have the entire
post where I said this? or lacking that, at least where did you find this?
which thread?
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@LampAndNightingale](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/LampAndNightingale)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 12:20am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/22 "2026-02-19T00:20:14Z")
You should have been my friend Peter, these are a wild bunch. You have to stick with your choice now buddy. 🔃
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 1:08am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/23 "2026-02-19T01:08:33Z")
I think we are pretty evenly divided, but leaning one way or the other, without a scintilla of evidence, just remarking.
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### Author:  [@reason4emotion](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/reason4emotion)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 6:00am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/24 "2026-02-19T06:00:33Z")
> [@Peter\_Kropotkin](#):
>
> if one is homeless for a year or so, one could easily blame the state/
> society as you do, but any longer and it becomes a choice…
> and you should take responsibility for your choices… as I did…
> so, are you going to be blaming everyone for your being
> homeless or are you going to take some responsibility for
> being homeless?
I, for one am curious as to your answer on this question Mr. A.
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### Author:  [@GaryChildress](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/GaryChildress)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 10:29am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/25 "2026-02-19T10:29:24Z")
> [@seeds](#):
>
> Am I supposed to ignore and forget about everything I described happened to me in 1969 -1970 of which I chronicled in my OP post titled: **My “Burning Bush-like” encounter with God** at the following link to the recently re-opened PN forum…
Does God = the creator of all that is? Did this being that you encountered say it was the creator of all that is or did it just say it was the creator of you? Are you sure it wasn’t a psychosis? I’ve had more than one of them and some of them were hyper religious. If Christ were alive today, I wonder if they’d hook him up with Haldol? It can turn anyone into a zombie.
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### Author:  [@GaryChildress](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/GaryChildress)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 10:42am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/26 "2026-02-19T10:42:49Z")
@seeds
This “incorporeal” being you encountered, can you describe a little bit more about your experience? Why do you think the being was incorporeal? Why do you think it was God? Why not some as yet unknown super creature that was also created by God? How did it speak to you? Was it a voice in your head that seemed to come from nowhere? What did it look like? What did it sound like? Or if you couldn’t see or hear it just like we see or hear a person standing next to us, then how did it communicate with you?
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### Author:  [@seeds](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/seeds)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 5:42pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/27 "2026-02-19T17:42:56Z")
> [@GaryChildress](#):
>
> This “incorporeal” being you encountered, can you describe a little bit more about your experience? Why do you think the being was incorporeal? Why do you think it was God?
Hi Gary, so as not to derail this thread any further, I tried to answer your questions in a new thread in the **Religion and Spirituality** forum titled…
**“My “Burning-Bush-like” encounter with God”**
_(I tried to make a simple link to it, but the system kept doing something funky by adding a bunch of unwanted text with the link.)_
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### Author:  [@reason4emotion](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/reason4emotion)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 8:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/28 "2026-02-19T20:00:55Z")
> [@reason4emotion](#):
>
> I, for one am curious as to your answer on this question Mr. A.
😆
So once again the inane laughing emoji.
How can anyone take you seriously.
You put yourself out there, with snapshots of what you want to portray as who you are and yet you won’t answer Peter’s question. He has been homeless, so that kinda waters down the dramatics of your homelessness.
The perplexity of it all is when you are asked a simple question you look away. I am not expecting a explanation. So carry on with all your “the sky is falling” nonsense.
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 10:51pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/29 "2026-02-19T22:51:02Z")
@reason4emotion
It’s clear who the rich wealthy spoiled trust fund children are around here to have such contempt for the poor or human suffering in general. My only consolation is that neither you or Peter would of survived the hell of the fifteen years I lived through. You wouldn’t even survive a month living how I did at one point where both of you would of probably sought to end your own lives immediately sparing yourselves of the agonizing misery.
Enjoy your ivory towers and marble floors, hopefully the structural foundation is flawless so that you never fall from grace to discover the agonizing hells below. I am afraid neither one of your mental dispositions would be strong enough to survive them. Hell has so few survivors.
🤡
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### Author:  [@LampAndNightingale](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/LampAndNightingale)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 11:00pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/30 "2026-02-19T23:00:22Z")
@MrAuthoritarian Appeal to Emotion is a logical fallacy
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [February 19, 2026, 11:46pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/31 "2026-02-19T23:46:35Z")
MrAuthoritarian:
It’s clear who the rich wealthy spoiled trust fund children are around here to have such contempt for the poor or human suffering in general. My only consolation is that neither you or Peter would of survived the hell of the fifteen years I lived through. You wouldn’t even survive a month living how I did at one point where both of you would of probably sought to end your own lives immediately sparing yourselves of the agonizing misery.
K: Now we have reached the ""I have suffered more than anyone on
Planet Earth phase of the thread…and you couldn’t have survived
what I survived bullshit… as for ‘‘rich, wealthy, spoiled trust fund children’’…
dude, I once went three weeks with only a jar of peanut butter, and no
other way to get food…please spare me your condescending
bullshit… there are plenty of people who have suffered and suffered
far more than either one of us…and they survived… (two close friends
recently died of cancer and their surviving spouses went through a hell
I can’t even guess at) I don’t presume to have suffered far more
than any other human being alive crap, unlike you…
MR. A. Enjoy your ivory towers and marble floors, hopefully the structural foundation is flawless so that you never fall from grace to discover the agonizing hells below. I am afraid neither one of your mental dispositions would be strong enough to survive them. Hell has so few survivors.
K: woe is me, I am feeling incredible sorry for myself, phase of this
post… Ivory towers… you do know that is a reference to academia,
not reality, right? I am glad you think that you have survived more than
anyone on planet Earth has ever survived… everyone, EVERYONE,
has a story of survival… that is the nature of human existence…
and as far as my ‘‘mental dispositions’’ goes, dude, you are so full of
yourself, as to be embarrassing to anyone who is reading this…
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@MrAuthoritarian](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/MrAuthoritarian)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2026, 12:33am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/32 "2026-02-20T00:33:10Z")
@Peter_Kropotkin
I don’t believe any of the bullshit nonsense you post. Three weeks on a single jar of peanut butter? I call bullshit.
“I live in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods of San Francisco. My name is Peter Kropotkin.”
Stay in your lane Peter, stay in your lane.
🤡
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### Author:  [@Peter\_Kropotkin](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/Peter_Kropotkin)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2026, 12:49am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/33 "2026-02-20T00:49:38Z")
MrAuthoritarian:
I don’t believe any of the bullshit nonsense you post. Three weeks on a single jar of peanut butter? I call bullshit.
“I live in one of the wealthiest neighborhoods of San Francisco.”
K: a couple of points, A. I have never and I have never claimed
to live in SF…as I have stated, I have lived in the Bay Area since
1973…on the Peninsula… second, I do live in one of the wealthier
suburbs of SF… but that is after decades of not living quite so grand…
I didn’t move into this condo until 2000… and that was because of my
marriage to my wife… which was 30 years ago, 1996…
which means I was supporting myself from age 17 to about 33…
and during that time that I was both homeless and surviving by
the skin of my teeth… hence the peanut butter… now whether
you believe me or not, I really don’t care because you are a troll…
and unlike you, I don’t claim to have suffered more than any human
being that has ever existed, has suffered…
I have never lied on ILP or any other format similar to this…
and you know why? Because I don’t have an agenda that
requires me to lie… I tell the truth simply because the truth
is far easier for me to remember… too lie, one has to
remember both the lie and the truth… I just can’t remember
either one… so, I practice truth…it’s easier to remember…
believe me or not, I just don’t care enough to worry about it…
as for staying in my lane… try not to throw rocks from glass
houses… it never ends well…
Kropotkin
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### Author:  [@reason4emotion](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/reason4emotion)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2026, 4:32am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/34 "2026-02-20T04:32:51Z")
Despite having once been married to a very wealthy man, during the time of this marriage I never stopped working and supported myself.
I have never relied on a man to “keep me” and everything I have, is not from a trust fund but from living a frugal careful existence and not “worshipping” the dollar and finding joy in simplicity.
🤣 🤡
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### Author:  [@promethean75](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/promethean75)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2026, 8:09am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/35 "2026-02-20T08:09:38Z")
See what they’ve done to you two guys? You guys are supposed to be on the same team - team proletariat - but instead, you fight one another. This is how they keep you divided so you never organize, ya know.
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### Author:  [@RealUn](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/RealUn)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2026, 8:49am UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/36 "2026-02-20T08:49:12Z")
Lol @Peter_Kropotkin so you live in the Suburbs of Silicon Valley, and CERTAINLY inherited your house before the tech boom of the 2000s and 2010s …AND you rarely (or never) go downtown San Francisco.
You give too much away Kropotkin. No wonder you’re delusional about your Political perspective.
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### Author:  [@meno41](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/u/meno41)
#### Post date: [February 20, 2026, 5:32pm UTC](https://www.ilovephilosophy.com/t/bacons-idols-that-impact-us-today/84772/37 "2026-02-20T17:32:05Z")
At times giving things away is the only way absolutely necessary facts come out to support higher, yet even unknown ways they absolutely necessary Truths support.
Pearls are hidden in pig stirs, yet it is necessary to find a needle in a haystack, so the rich kid can learn if not Now, then perhaps far away in another galaxy .
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