Actually, what Imp stated is militarily sound, (see Nagasaki and Hiroshima), for decisively terminating a protracted ground war.
Race has nothing to do with it. This is about the Empire and her want of resources. Our Empire just happens to have not only the greater fire power, but the dumbest group of military generals in our country’s history ~ nuclear power can correct their error.
Nuke trumps stupid ~ every time.
make greenpeace drill in alaska with shovels…
-Imp
Apparently I’m stupid, I am completely missing the joke as per the reference.
Yes, look at Japan. Exception that proves the rule. Never happened before, likely won’t ever happen again.
Good point!!!
Leave Alaska alone, a pristine wilderness, and fuck oil, time for humanity to grow the fuck up and find a productive and non-debilitating energy form. Kill all the humans you want, leave the nature out of it.
MY my, all the lust for economic collapse! Nuclear strikes… so simple and clean- and simple-minded. The world economy still runs on relatively cheap oil. Screw with that and our economy goes bust. It won’t just be Greenpeace with shovels… Turn off the computer on your way out. Oh, I forgot. Without the oil, there won’t be electricity and turning off the computer won’t be a problem. The world has a massive stomach ache, but the high colonic of nukes ain’t going to make it better.
Come up with something other than either-or. Leave that bullshit to the meglomaniacs and the true believers.
I must support Imp in his comments here, as well. It’s difficult to “accuse” Imp of being hostile to people we are at war with. I oppose this war, on strategic grounds (I don’t think it’s the best use of force we could have come up with) - but it is a war.
I have known Imp for many years now (in the internet sense), and I have never once known him to utter a racist comment - in fact, he has often championed the view of certain minorites in order to make a political or philosophical point. And stopped racists in their tracks in doing so.
Sometimes “liberal” racists (racists without a clue that they are racists).
An all-out war to conquer the ME would be preferable, strategically at the very least, to the course we are now on.
Not sure tent, maybe we should give the “high colonic” a fair shake at curing the “The Stupid®”.
The politics of the modern era is all “either-or”. You are either with us or against us. There is no room for fence sitters in this world any longer, unless you like being sniped. What? You stopped listening to Bushie’s state addresses? Pffft, how unpatriotic.
To love nuclear holocaust, is to be truly American.
Viva la Raggazzi!!!
“Profitable Conquest” is when the military production contractors, weapons sales and world bankers organize any extreme expendature, meanwhile, it makes nations and civilians on both sides of any war poorer.
If you’re going to say: “An all-out war to conquer the ME would be preferable, strategically at the very least, to the course we are now on.”
Then I am going to say:
Throw raw fish at your grandmother.
That is a strategically preferable action;
It’s the only path to true freedom.
And if she’s dead,
Bomb the graves
Then take over the grave yard.
Put an american flag in it.
Sing patriotically. You’ve got somemore land.
Of course, Dan~, I know where you’re comin’ from. But, since the Korean Conflict, all the US has done is to fight, kill, and die. Ultimately, over very little.
I think we have “completion” issues.
Really an ad hominem is simple; it means you are attacking the person instead of the argument.
LOL right…
-Imp
thank you
-Imp
I thought that was what you were nippling at, until the flathead reference.
Had nothing to do with religion.
Japanese are, errr, well “were” most simply bland metaphysicists, adhering to whatever was in fashion at the moment. The higher order was the social caste/feudal system based entirely on ethnocentrism.
It was a matter of their Japanese"ness", not religion. The Emperor simply signified the highest caste of being Japanese.
What are you laughing at? I despise humanity, loathe and detest the creature in its abject denials, and see no reason to afflict the rest of myriad with our stupidity. Why is that laughable?
man is nature.
-Imp
More nukes for the middle-East. Great. Nuke that sucker flat. Then let’s just cut off aid to Africa, and give them more guns in return for whatever baubles they have left - and leave nature red in tooth and claw to re-apply a long-term power/populace equillibrium. Then, after fifty years or so (incidentally just as the middle-east has cooled down a little on the radiation scale) we can re-establish politic relations with whatever is left of the spear-chuckers.
The Russians are still running helter-skelter into the arms of their idealized and exaggerated capitalist paramour. The Japs are busy cosmetic-surgery’ing themselves into wide-eyed anime Westernized freaks, and the Chinks, well, we’ll just have to blow the shit out of that bridge when we come to it. Give them a little help with their population control programs maybe, at the point of a bayonet.
Hell, I could make my life a lot easier right now by grenading the family bedroom and investing the dead kids’ school-funds in longevity drugs and viagra. But then what kind of role-model would I be…? Oh, hang on, it wouldn’t matter - the kids are toast anyway.
I like Imp. But when he gets gratuitously violent, he really pisses me off, because I know he’s not that stupid.
It’s an inaccurate parallel at best. One is adherence to social egotism, the other the “divine word of God”. One ethnocentric isolationism, the other, violent destruction of anything that does not convert as commanded by Abbah the Cosmic Pimp.
Not tantamount or parallel.
Past tense, was. Haven’t ‘been natural’ since the inception of the Industrial Revolution, likely the argument could be made for even earlier.
Man is un-nature, we are the 7UP of the myriad.
I like you as well Tab, but there is nothing gratuitous about it… history never repeats…
-Imp
the industrial revolution made humans plastic… interesting…
no, we are the divisors and labelers of the myriad…
-Imp
You might want to go and check the history of feudalism. “The mob” wasn’t convinced of anything as a matter of inferred agency.
They were warriors with a code, far superior to anything that exists today. Before you baulk at that, take into account that the author of the post understands that there are things that are of higher value than life, much like the Bushi.
Made? No. Furthered? Yes.
The myriad doesn’t give a fuck about our pathetic asses. Eventually, we will find out just how dispassionate is this Universe we infect, and no amount of metaphysics will save us either.
Manifest destiny: humanity will vanish.
Of course history repeats Imp. Human circa 500bc is the same as human circa 2000ad and history is just human behaviour seen at a distance. Like fashion and music History comes back again and again, wearing the latest fabrics but in the same cuts and styles or covering the songs it used to play back in the day - except now its trance rather than boogie-woogie, death metal rather than punk. Hell, even Korn is singing about evolution these days.
‘Nuke the bastards flat’ is no different from generals 60 years ago saying ‘carpet bomb them flat’; no different from the Frog-princes saying ‘Cavelry-charge the bastards flat’ back in the days of Henry V. The trouble with these final solutions is a) they are never final and b) they invite unexpected Agincourt’s. With planes instead of arrows.
The nuclear option is just some fucking sand to stick your head in. Makes foreign policy makers lazy. They can sit about in their think-tanks, swilling coffee and munching doughnuts till sugar and caffiene oozes from their pores, banging their heads against the ME wall - all the while knowing that if their creativity fails them completely they can sit back and sigh “Oh well bollocks to it, we tried, let’s just fucking nuke 'em and go home.”
All final solutions do is blow the problem a few decades into the future. At which point they come back, bigger, badder and tooled up with the latest in war-tech. At which point, your kids, or the kids of your kids dig up your corpse, kick the shit out of it until their legs get tired and call what’s left of your bones a “fucking stupid short-sighted asshole.”
No…?
Gone from banning to nukes, How very caveman 