Basic reasons not to believe

One of the reasons I don’t believe in god, gods or “God”, is due to the massive quantity of other religions. I am curious as to why you may think you have you been the lucky one to be successfully indoctrinated with the right religion by our culture out of all other cultures? Most religious people don’t even bother to read the scriptures or texts of other faiths. If they did, they would find some striking similarities in methods, as well as directly incompatible claims. For most Christians, apparently “God” chose to reveal itself to an illiterate civilization at the time, compared to say, China who was far more advanced and literate, to deliver his message. And his message is, you must believe everything I say, written down by this misogynistic, slave condoning, archaic backwards society, or you will suffer eternal punishment. This is exactly what to say if the backwards society was trying to produce fear to pawn of their own morality as god’s, as evidenced by the wildly immoral “words of god” in the Old Testament. I would not think god, gods or God would be so fickle to reveal himself in the same manner as any other false religion, having people choose and believe in the right one, for such infinitely rewarding or punishable fines. The punishment, for not believing in this religion, out of all the others, is exponentially disproportionate. This is persuasion via fear of threat of something that can’t disproved. It’s a wild claim, to write about god as if you have knowledge and present it to your tribe, to get them to do what you want. Long ago, people out of ignorance thought that comets were omens, of imminent doom, because they didn’t understand reality. They had no concept that there were unfathomable quantities of asteroids shuttling through space at unbelievable speeds, in a vast, possibly, infinitely large universe. The fact that there are so many different religions is not evidence of the divine, it is evidence only that people make up things about divinity. Legends, myth, folklore, all due to ignorance of where we come from and how we are here. The reason you are Christian today, is due to when and where you were born. If you grew up in India, you may be Hindu. Saudi Arabia, Muslim. Greece 3,000 years ago, you’d believe in Zeus, probably. Considering the reward and punishment, and the plethora of false religions, no matter what your religion is, this is utterly ridiculous to condemn people to hell, for not believing in this specific words. It is exactly, what to say, to scare people into believing. It is how all false religions work and is a common theme.

Hinduism: Believe or suffer, Buddhism: Believe or suffer. Islam: Believe or Suffer. Christianity: believe or suffer, and yes, Zeus may strike you down with a lightning bolt if you don’t do what he wants just the same. This is exactly how to propagate a false religion, the methods are identical to the perceived false religions of Christianity. This is indicative of a myopic, selfish world view. Most Christians don’t even consider another religion. If they did, they may find the similarities of the methods of their religion to all the others.

Reading the bible you can see how it is exactly man made, full of contradictions, (which supposed “apologists” will just say, its a metaphor and wash their hands), . It also shows typical reflective misogyny and the atrocious morality of sheep herding men with no knowledge of science or any advanced maths, chemistry, philosophy, biology, physiology and sexuality as well, among many other areas of ignorance. Bashing homosexuality out of ignorance, or fear, of these people. Typical of an archaic mind, which lingers throughout society today.

Believing in a god, or a miracle out of ignorance is a way to stunt further exploration of similar occurrences or explore for an answer for the one that occurred. Most personal miracles are trivial in nature and are able to be disproven with effort. If not, there is no reason to “believe” a miracle occurred, out of ignorance. Simply because the origin of existence is unknown, simply because we don’t have an explanation, doesn’t mean it is a miracle, or done by god. It is unknown instead. Choosing to believe in an answer, isn’t a wise decision, with all things considered, and the tendency of humans to propagate lies of god, in order to control their people. By considering unknowns as miracles or god, we essentially lose the desire to explore and learn. This has been detrimental to society, causing denial of scientific understanding, all for the sake of apparently keeping people in control. However, there is no further evil, than spreading a lie, to make people devote themselves to a lie their entire life. It’s happened, for millions of people, no matter what your faith, for all those who believe in a religion not of your own and it is likely happening to you just the same.

This is well written. I don’t use the term of a name anymore, I figure if there is a God it is supreme being(s). There’s a lot of hatred for the idea because of the extraordinary amount of suffering in the world, and having people tell us that some being made it this way when it could have done otherwise is downright offensive when they suck up to it and tell us to as well… I know your OP wasn’t about the PoE specifically except for the “believe or suffer” part, and again I thought it was well written. I suppose people like to be with tough people so they can feel safe, or they like to be tough, and the idea of a supreme being is as tough as it gets, so there’s a sort of comfort there… the ‘benevolent’ bully. My question about a supreme being is, how can you punish people without sinning? It seems rehabilitation is the best option… just warp them to another plane of existence for rehab, so the rest of us can get on with our lives without the muck, heal us our wounds etc… Considering how wild the claims are that people make about a supreme being, this is actually doable and rational from that perspective.

Well, there are many theories in the science about how this universe came into existence. Nobody has any evidence to support their claim.

But, should one conclude on that basis that the all findings of physics is wrong?

With love,
Sanjay

It is all a massively dumb argument:
“Because there are SO many stupid theories, ALL theories are wrong!!! … Well … except mine.”
:icon-rolleyes:

Once separated from mass religion and popular theology, the idea of God is not so problematic for me any more and is increasingly more relevant when the word is linked to privately identifiable experiences and ideas. This isn’t to say I believe in God, but if I could affirm such a thing with confidence I would express it more personally to avoid incorporation with average theism and its bonkers institutions.

What they want is that you should conform or suffer. They emphasize “belief” in pretense that your personal choice is important, but theirs is really a club like any other and at some point one’s membership depends on acquiescence. At best, free thinking is a nice but entirely unnecessary luxury. This seems barbaric now, but I understand it in the context of survival.