A sound can be turned into an electrical signal, which in turn can be turned into light, but you cannot see music. So there are different kinds of reals here, the physical forms and the individual forms of the qualities. We could envision this as that qualities are like parallel lines connected to the underpinning lateral lines at base. Because qualities aren’t physically real, it doesn’t mean we can ignore that such observable qualities, and consider them as not equally real.
Ergo; the observable world contains equally real qualities and physics. Physical entities are interchangeable, but qualities are not!
physical entities and non-physical qualities are interchangeable, this means that our experiences are derivative of the observable physical reality, and yet equally distinct ~ and that is not a contradiction.
You cant see music, nor can you convert it to colour or touch.
You can though, observably convert any quality to thought. So thought lies in the realm of ‘qualities’, and is distinct as like all qualities. You cannot change thought into physical sound or light.
The alternative is that you can turn music into light qualities, yet this has never been observed outside of the human mind e.g. Some people can smell colours etc.
The fact that physical sound and light are interchangeable but music and colour are not, PROVES that there are other observable qualities [reals] than the physical.
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That’s why I said ‘this has never been observed outside of the human mind e.g. Some people can smell colours etc’
Equally, I have experienced such blending of the senses on LSD, but it’s a perception of colours and shapes making sounds, and not actual colour making sound.
This is why we have to be able to test such things out in the external world, as we know there are instruments which can make and replicate sounds and colours, but there are no observable or recordable instances where sound and light are interchangeable. You cant make light sing! Not directly.
Don’t you think it’s time philosophy got over internal mental concerns, and considering everything in the world to be values in the mind!?
How do you propose it should be approached?
For example, what questions ought philosophers ask and/or try to answer?
What tools and data should be available to them?
^^ edit; psychology [and all sciences etc] is a philosophical discipline imho.
All questions surely?
We should use all tools, computers, machines etc’, and the mind, but we shouldn’t get caught up in mental digressions e.g. Considering everything in the mind and world to be value based, as opposed to containing independent information. Such approaches render philosophy impotent, and it is clear that if true there would be no possibility of communicating. Tbh it irritates me that you can’t debate anything with philosophers, without it being reduced to mental qualities/aspects.
Not everything is in our minds! There is a world out there and any one of us aren’t the only thing that exists and the world is only in e.g. Your mind and hence I don’t exist. This is plain ridiculous and we have been over it many times and always come to that conclusion. Do you exist? Because if everything is a value in my mind, then I don’t know that bla bla ~ and we aren’t really communicating and there are no derivative informations outside of my mind, and I don’t have a physical body and brain etc’, etcetera.
We need to get over such futile nonsense and start debating [size=150]reality![/size]
As per the op, i am simply claiming that there are two kinds [at least] of observable qualities in the world, the interchangeable and the distinct. The physics of sound and light are interchangeable, whereas the qualities are specifically not.
Physics are carriers of qualities, but not the same as them in identity, thus i conclude; Reality is observably more than it’s physical elements, we are more than that.
This notion alone carries a load of questions about reality and our minds. It may be so that without the physics the qualia don’t exist, but that would require dependency, which in turn requires that qualities are contained in [part of] the physics. Yet we have already established that qualities and physics are different in nature, therefore they are related but equally different. Something about qualities in the mind and world, are fundamentally different to the physics, which opens up philosophy to every kind of question concerning who/what we are, and what reality entire is.
Essentially if the assessment is correct, it means that almost everything has to be re-examined. Is that enough for you?
No. You’ve made statements that I can’t see how you’re going to prove or anyone can disprove.
No handle; no question, no points of debate.
Deal me out.