Big Bang

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Take that creationists.

Again, no indication here that the “big bang” is anything more than a super duper nova.

To say that they know all about all the helium 3 in the universe is to err with respect to inifinity – they can’t possibly know all about all helium 3 in the entire universe. :unamused:

Elsewhere in the universe there are likely other super duper novas.

Something can’t come from nothing, because nothing simply cannot exist.

I don’t know where this article is a slap in the face to creationists.

We’ve long known that the Biblical account of how everything was created was merely a mythological placeholder waiting to be replaced by more information.

Nothing really changes here.

We still lack all the information.

God creates the way God creates … whether we understand it all or not.

Interesting article.

The big bang is wrong…however…those who believe in a creator of the Universe should be backing the big bang. Think about it people!!!

The Universe is perpetual…this does not allow for a creator. The big bang does and yet the religious ilk fight it. Total idiots.

My only problems with the Big Bang is that one: someone/something had to create the original matter that exploded, and two: we know that the more matter something contains or the more dense it is, the more gravity it exudes. how does an infinitely dense ball of all the matter in the universe suddenly go “Wait! I don’t have any gravity holding me together at all!!” and explode?

Gravity doesn’t hold anything together by pulling. Gravity compresses, which is why no one can find gravity’s waves.

Can you prove that? I was quite under the impression that we didn’t know how gravity worked. It just… worked.

And where would it push from anyway? If it’s pushing it’s gotta be an outside source. What’s outside a planet? Space? There’s nothing in space to push on a planet anyway.

There is everything in space to push a planet. What most call ‘dark matter’ is merely space where the photon has yet to release.

Space is in motion and it pushes from the infinite to the infinitesimal. Look at the Cantor-Bernstein-Schroeder Theorem. Now put motion to that. There is your compression or gravity in a nutshell.

Read that and then ask questions and I’ll explain it further. I’m not making a long post for nothing…

I’ll be happy to read it, but the fact that it is called a theorem says that they don’t know. It’s unprovable. It’s just a guess. Even Einstein’s theory of relativity is just a guess, even if it was widely influential. It’s important to keep that in mind.

My whole point is that they can’t explain the Big Bang, no matter how hard they try. And before you say it, I can’t prove God exists. But I wholeheartedly believe He does, and I don’t believe in the Big Bang. I’ve presented my reasons why, and that’s about as far as that goes.

  1. It’s true that theorems haven’t been ‘proved,’ inasmuch as nothing is provable in reality - everything in the Universe can only be assumed to exist after you take certain theories about the ways our perceptions work for granted.

However, there is alot of observed data and experiments that are consistent with relativity, which is why it is generally accepted as being true (besides the fact that it’s mathematically quite beautiful and consistent).

  1. The Big Bang can be explained in terms of physical forces - gravity is only one of the fundamental forces. Electro-magnetic forces between particles are MUCH stronger than gravitic forces, so even if all the particles in the universe were condensed to a singularity, there are other physical forces that could explain why the matter would explode outward.

  2. Someone mentioned this earlier, so I’d thought I’d comment on it. They said they objected to the big band theory because they didn’t understand where the initial matter came from, and of course matter would have to be created at some point.

I disagree. I believe the Universe has existed for an infinite amount of time and is in a perpetual cycle of exploding outward, slowing to a halt, recondensing, and repeating. Physically this is known as a closed theory of the Universe. Mathematically, theories of the universe are mostly dependent on the amount of matter present in the Universe.

Gravity is not a fundamental force, it is a structural force.

Why?

the ZPF pushes

that hasn’t really been established. As of right now, every force EXCEPT gravity has been unified.

Also, I think people misunderstand general relativity. Gravity produces universal geometry, and not the other way around.

It has been established, just not in big bang circles. If SOL is the fastest wave then the waves of gravity should easily be found. There are none.

This is because gravity is a structural force.

It doesn’t really follow that gravity waves should be easy to find just because SOL is the fastest wave. There are people out there looking for gravitons, but that doesn’t make them easy to find.

Look at what people went through to find neutrinos.

I just love the way you think! :smiley:

I don’t care whether it’s right or wrong, I just enjoy reading you.

We just don’t know about “gravity” yet, but we think there is such a thing called gravity, so the forceful little critter is open to speculation within a viable system of reality …

… And there’s just something about reading that gravity compresses that stimulates wonder, and with respect to possible reality.

No such thing as gravitons. This is pure common sense. There can be no force where there is a pull. It is impossible for an object to exert an attractive force when it hits another particle. It would never be allowed to ‘hit’.
This is why the graviton will never be found.

They are making literally billions of dollars searching for the impossible.

Why thank you…:slight_smile:

The Universe, or reality, is self-similar. All goes throught the same cycles, or experiences, just at different speeds. These speeds are within another.

The infintesimal and the infinite are within eachother right now.
The boundaries are within, within, within.
No rocket ship will ever reach the edge of the Universe because it is a complex matter and it’s complexity cannot exceed its dimension. It will travel until it dissipates.
That with no spatial properties will never ‘look out to the horizon’. It cannot because it is trapped in the fourth dimension; one without motion or speed. There is no horizon.

Yet these two things are within eachother.

The infinite and infinitesimal are within eachother right now.

perhaps you misspoke. There can be forces that ‘pull’. All of them do. E&M forces and both the nuclear forces have attractive components.

Your analysis of gravitons is way too classical. The only reason that a particle collission couldn’t transfer an attractive force is because of momentum conservation, which isn’t an issue for massless particles, which gravitons are believed to be.