Consciousness is the center of its own Life. This is the solution to the Biomorphic Fallacy.
This is what your “Self” is.
Each self (Mind) exists with a body (World) so that it can treat the other as self. Thoughts and words are kinds of acts, but unless we gave permission, they are not mindful (from self).
You could also argue that clouds are more space than Earth, but again you would be wrong.
Earth is an object of mass. The mass of the atmosphere is as much a part of Earth as you are, or the rocks are, or the lava is. The atmosphere is a less dense portion of the Earth, but it is still a part of Earth. The outer boundary of the object Earth is much farther from the center of Earth than we live, so we live IN Earth. Saying you live ON Earth is like saying you live above the clouds. Duh?
Your self is your body before it is your mind.
I have seen a lot of people define that word “self” differently - depends on their upbringing.
Study James (Affectance Ontology) - and all of these questions go away. I should get back to that - especially his governing ideas.
Mostly he would both explain and agree with Urwrongx1000 on these issues - without leaving out God.
No. Your body is just the part of the world that is most like home. But it isn’t home. Home is elsewhere.
More like Earth is a more dense portion of space. You live on Earth. Or in space below the clouds. Well. You live in space between clouds and Earth. On a clear day.
“You can’t fix stupid.”
“Mean people suck.”
More utter bollocks.
Um. No, we don’t think the universe needs to have a beginning or ending because we ourselves have them. We think it because literally everything we know of can be described in terms of beginnings and endings, and because the idea of it NOT having a beginning or ending in some way or another is pretty weird and impossible to wrap our minds around.
What life, humans? You think humans presume their own consciousness is necessary to exist? I seriously doubt that. As for non-human life, it doesn’t presume anything on the topic at all.
No shit. Why would it?
You say that like it’s somehow not painfully obvious and irrefutable in every possible way.
What does any of these religions have to do with your weird claim that we somehow believe the universe has to begin or end because we do? Obviously there are a lot of things taught in religious texts and stories that don’t make sense. Did a gigantic boat really hold two of every animal for 40 days in a worldwide flood? Probably not. But so what? If you see religion as either 100% literally true all the time or 0% true or valuable, that just means you’re operating on something like a 3rd grade level.
I guess that depends on how you define God then.
Most people cower away from committing to such a definition.
Your home maybe elsewhere. Mine is in my body.
Nice high-IQ rebuttal as always from Sculptor, the forum expects nothing less, certainly not anything more.
Your point does not refute my point.
Christianity, Judaism, Islam, all are based in Genesis/Creationist theory. Western Civilization is predicated on an idea of linear time, that space & time have definitive, finite Beginning and End. This is in line with the Abrahamic God, the core of their belief-system and metaphysics. A belief in such Teleology, beginnings and endings, finitude, is not the same level of fiction and mysticism as magic boats and zombie-Jesus. There is a lot of ‘rationality’ poured into the idea of finite Time. By contrast, some other religions and mysticism propose “circular” time or Cycles. This runs counter to the idea of beginning and end.
You’re correct that the human mind needs finitude to make sense of things; but you are wrong in the sense of how the mind is an extension of life and biology.
By definition, an infinite thing cannot be reduced to the finite. This would mean that somethings, like the totality of universe and existence, are impossible to know.
Life is invasive; it wants to grow and expand.
It wants to cover the Earth and enter itself into every crevice. Bacteria, viruses, fungi, insects, crustaceans, multiply and multiply, inhabiting every biome, in the air, in the sea, wedging itself underneath every rock and stone.
The mind is a reflection of its own biology. It wants to explore and make the unknown, known. The mind is the most evolved organ of the body; therefore it does its basic biological function more effectively than the rest. Your mind seeks the unknown faster than your hands, your legs, your feet. It covers more ground. Your eyes perceive stars, planets, and moons how many miles away?
So what is beyond that? Where is the wall of the Universe? What if there is no wall, no limit?
elsewhere
Nope
I mean it kinda does. You claimed that the reason why we think the universe needs to have a beginning or ending is because we ourselves have beginnings and endings. I pointed out that as far as I can tell this is probably not the reason why at least most people would think the universe has a beginning or ending. Granted both of us are just making assumptions about what other people think, but as far as I can tell my assumption makes more sense.
True, of course both conceptions of ultimate time exist in different religious or philosophical systems. It’s funny how we have no real way to evaluate which of these concepts is true or not. I can see why Kant became apathetic, but at the same time he wasn’t all that creative either. Sure we don’t have an answer to this ultimate question, but it’s still valuable to think about and theorize about it. And some day I think we will have the answer.
We can understand infinity without concretizing it or reducing it into the finite. I can understand the fact that a number line 1,2,3… goes on forever without stopping. Or that an asymptotic regression keeps getting closer and closer to a defined value without every reaching it. We are certainly able to UNDERSTAND these “infinite things” even though we ourselves are “finite”.
Don’t pretend like you don’t know about Genesis and the Old Testament, that you don’t know about Christianity, Judaism, and Islam which employ billions and billions of people around the world.
I know what they believe, because they brag about what they believe, and openly advocate online, on this forum, for as long as it’s been here…
Infinity is literally and physically unknowable. We try to understand the concept, yes, but fail.