Bioterrorism

I just read an article put out by Interpol that suggests that the most dangerous terrorist threat is bioterrorism because it’s the least defensible and least prepared for threat in most countries.

A sick and scary thought: Why would any terrorist group mess around with anthrax, ricin, or other agents that are difficult and dangerous to mess with? Why go to the trouble when all that is needed is to procure the latest mutation of saars, ebola, or bird flu? Nature is busy building terrorist ‘bombs’. No need to do anything but collect the appropriate agent and pass it around. Note: there is now a bird flu version that has infected cats - and is transmittable to other cats. It’s probably the last step before a human-to-human mutation arrives. How much trouble would it be to slip a few infected cats into a target country?

You know damn well if someone on this forum can figure it out, the people bent on destruction thought it out a year ago. :astonished: :astonished:

JT

Feel like I’m following you around like a puppy, tongue hanging out tail wagging… :laughing:

I don’t think there is any real threat from terrorists…not in the large sense, I think there is more threat from natural disasters - the real threat is the terrorist inside of each and every one of us…

So that is where the terrorists have been hiding.

Cut him open boys.
:Sound of a buzzsaw spinning up to speed: :astonished:

Feel free to believe whatever propaganda you choose xander. That way you don’t have to take responsibility for your part do you?

uh oh! look what I’ve gone and done!

We should all get in touch with our inner terrorist.

its not hard. read this. after getting about half way through, i now hope very much to have an opportunity to brutally murder as many billionaires as i can.

seriously, i have no hatred towards any muslim extremist. i think they are wrong, and that the worst way to confront america and israel is by giving us an excuse to use our military. but still, i completely understand why the world urgently needs america to die as fast as possible.

i think the fact that we have not been inundated with countless horrors of great ingenuity is a clear sign that muslim extremists dont want to terrorize the us homeland at this point, at least. seriously, if they wanted to mess us up a little more, you think the port security is going to stop them? theres no way that they have been trying and failing to attack us again, and i cant imagine that it would take this long to think up another plan.

i mean seriously, if i was in their group id have killed at least a hundred people by now. for christs sake, assault weapons are legal now arent they? i can easily kill as many people as i have bullets in center city at 5 oclock. there is NO threat of terrorism in america anymore. or else the islamists really suck at their job.

liquidangel,

I apologize for making light of your comment. I agree with you that the capacity for wickness is part of every human being. We all have the potential to do great harm.

Still I think the vast international terrorist threat to the United States is a paranoid fantasy.

Xander,

I’m pleased to see that you didn’t take my comment as an assault, millions would have launched into warfare over such triviality.

Yes, this so-called terrorist threat. I don’t honestly know the true facts but I can tell you what I feel. If your government can keep people in fear then they are able to conduct their security checks, they are able to gain information on anyone anywhere in the world, they are able to rage wars, commit murder, corrupt young people – soldiers, and they are able to GAIN YOUR SUPPORT – because of fear!

On the other hand if it weren’t for people like Bush (and Blair), a vast number of people might not have awoken to themselves, may not have asked valid questions of themselves, may have remained in their complacency, not have been challenged to think and re-think their belief systems, their conditioning…I guess everything has it’s place.

My gripe for the day…do you guys honestly think you’re the only country in the world?

Dear Xander and LiquidAngel,

You are both wrong. There is a great threat, to America and the West in general.

Are you both based in theUS? If yo, I can understand your levity. We in Europe have more experience of terrorist movements; the continental US has only been attacked once.

Europe has seen, and still sees, the IRA, ETA (Basques), the Baader-Meinhof gang, the Italian extreme right and extreme left, the Corsicans, the Islamists, the Welsh, the Bretons, the Palestinians, etc. Furtehr in the past, the OAS, the Algerians.

I could go on!

I have no doubt that if some groupuscule (in this instance, islamist) could get their hands on a nuclear bomb or other similar weapon, they will use it.

Nothing like a bit of history to get a sense of perspective on things.

As for phantasy, I don’t really think so. USS Cole anyone? Bali? Mombasa? Berlin?

Noel,

You may be right and we may both be wrong. Right or wrong, is that the true question here? This sounds like the age old question on religion, politics, war, whatever! If I say that I feel one thing does that mean that I say that everything else is untrue. I merely pose the question from a new perspective. Yes, terrorism exists, yes everything horrible that has happened in the world has happend, I’m not negating that. I’m merely suggesting that the problem starts with ourselves and not outside of ourselves…a question to ponder…

For the record, I’m South African, based in London. Does that mean I’m a racist?

the stuff has already been lost by the russians. they barely guard their radioactive substances at all. i read about it in some magazine.

but noel, why havent they continued to attack us? why wait 3 years? why let the american economy recover? how much worse would it have been if they gave us something half as bad as 911 one year later, right when we started to recover. it would have sucked ass, and they lost that opportunity either because they are retarded or because they didnt want to. i dont understand how either of those is possible. maybe weve just been lucky, and 5 boatloads of nuclear bombs have sank on their way here.

liquidangel,

Don’t give a second thought. Occasionally, minds meet - even in an internet discussion forum. :stuck_out_tongue:

To all,

I hope I didn’t spoil anyone’s breakfast, but it just seemed that all the furor over WMD is Chicken Little stuff. Nature is busy providing enough terror weapons without centrifuges.

I’m going to side with liquidangel on the issue of who is a ‘terrorist’. That there is political extremism in practically every part of the world isn’t particularly new stuff. Every country has some group(s) with a stomach ache over this or that. Many of these groups perform violent acts in some vain attempt to ‘change the world’. Typically, this violence is aimed at the national government and is seen by the world as an ‘internal matter’. The colonial powers have had their share of violence as colonies struggled to become independant. Regional violence is common if arbitrary lines are drawn to decide what is a country.(Think Balkans, the Chechnian ‘war’) There are cultural waves of violence.(Rwanda & Darfur)

What is different today is that all acts of violence are being labled as ‘terrorist acts’. What used to be a ‘regional conflict’ is now terrorism.
And finally, I get to the point. :unamused: Is it possible that the US, as the 800lb gorilla, is seen as the real threat in the world? Not too many years ago there was a lot of fluff in the air about the ‘Americanization’ of Britain and the whole of Europe, and the culturally negative effects of the American invasion bringing supermarkets and fast food franchises. When does a cultural or even worse, religious threat finally demand action? There may just be more ‘terror’ in a 1/4 pounder with cheese than a smart bomb - and the US has shown that it is willing to use both.

It isn’t that extremists any and everywhere won’t use violence to intimidate, but, as liquidangel intimates, the US and its’ ‘coalition of the willing’ may be the root cause of the international violence we see today.

JT

I will assume that you mean that my idea is wrong.

I am in the United States.

Perhaps I should have been clearer. I disbelieve in any international conspiracy of terrorists. I certainly believe that there are individual groups of terrorists, but I disbelieve in well-coordinated, organized intelligent cooperation between the different terrorists groups. A single terrorist group can be extremely dangerous, harmful and destructive.

Yet overemphasizing the power and threat of terrorist attacks benefits nobody. Well, I tell a lie. Overemphasizing the threat benefits those who profit from fear.

noel;

shows that those celtic mofo’s havn’t lost their touch for violence eh? :stuck_out_tongue:
gotta love the celts (seriously, i like em a lot, just not the ones that kill people, same as every group of people) :slight_smile:

ehm, there should be another point about this post… oh yes

i was gonna say that terrorism is not a phenomen that just pops out of the ground randomly (ok here and there it might) but usually there’s a whole socio-economical background
all i’m saying is, if you really want to fight terrorism, you have to make sure you’re not driving people directly into the arms of terrorism
our best weapon is developing a future for everyone
believe it or not…

greetz

willem

PS; i second xander’s last post

A bit long but worth the read

Chemtrails And Vaccines: What You Didn’t Know About Vaccines And Human Animal Husbandry

By Mark Owen

In 1946, future pharmaceutical czar George Merck reported to the US Secretary of War, that he’d managed to weaponise the toxin extracted from the Brucella bacterium and to isolate it into an indestructible crystalline form using only the DNA particles. Aerial spraying of the crystals via chemtrails was deployed on Chinese and Korean populations during the Korean War.

Many veterans of the war later developed Multiple Sclerosis. The army recognized that the MS was Brucella-related and paid the veterans compensation.

Although the Brucella micoplasma can lay dormant for decades, it can be triggered by vaccines been mandatory in the US military since 1911.Besides MS, this bacterium has been linked to a variety of diseases including; AIDS, cancer, diabetes, Parkinson’s, Alzheimer’s and arthritis. In 2000, Dr. Charles Engel of the National Institute of Health stated that the brucella mycoplasma was probably responsible for chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia as well.

In addition to the aerosol vector, mosquitoes were heavily tested as pathogen dispersal agents. In the 1950s, the Dominion Parasite Laboratory in Belleville, Canada was raising 100million mosquitoes per month. They were then shipped to Queens University in Kingston and other facilities where they were infected with the crystalline disease agent.

A large outbreak of chronic fatigue was reported in 1957 in Punta Gorda, Florida. The previous week a huge influx of mosquitoes was reported. The National Institute of Health stated that 450 persons became ill with chronic fatigue within the month. Many such tests have been carried out on civilians over the last 50 years.

Dr. Maurice Hilleman, Merck’s current chief virologist, state recently that the Brucella pathogen is now carried by everyone in North America and possibly the world.

In 1993, Dr. Shyh-Ching Lo, senior researcher at the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology patented several virulent strains of mycoplasma. He stated in his own patents that they cause chronic fatigue syndrome. The Institute is currently reconstructing the 1918 Spanish Flu, inserting it into contemporary flu strains and enhancing its lethality. The Spanish Flu killed 675,000 Americans in the 1918-1919 interval. Many of the dead were vaccinated soldiers. Anyone born after 1918 has no immunity to the Spanish Flu.

Since 9-11 all US airports have been under military control. According to one credible source, there is a subrosa project known as ‘Cloverleaf’ that uses domestic air carriers etrofitted with special tanks to spray civilian populations with a variety of chemicals.

This retired government scientist goes on to say that reconstructed versions of the flu could be inserted into vaccines along with a more benign strain of the inoculum in order to slow the progression of its more deadly component. Chemicals in the chemtrails reported nationwide over the preceding decade, may assist the viral envelope to fuse with lung cells, guaranteeing ease of penetration and infection. People will pass along the flu to others and then start dropping like flies. This will cause a panic demand for more flu shots, thus accelerating the cycle. Persons not so inoculated will be blamed for spreading the disease.

In 2002 the Department of Health and Human Services purchased 286 million doses of vaccine from British supplier Acambis. The Washington Post reported in September of that year that the entire population of the United States could be vaccinated within 5 days.

Concomitantly, the Department drafted a law known as The Model Emergency Health Powers Act. The Act can demand that any individual be vaccinated. Failure to comply will be considered a felony.

The latest wonder cure promoted by the medical establishment is genetic vaccines. They are hailed as the last line of defence between humans and mycoplasma. But Dr. Rebecca Carley declares that the DNA components in these vaccines can be incorporated into our own DNA which in turn could cause the extinction of all (vaccinated) life on earth.

At least two dozen microbiologists around the world have died violently in the last few years. Curiously, some of them were working on DNA sequencing. The most famous was Dr. David Kelly who died in July 2003. Working for the Mossad, Kelly orchestrated the defection of Russian microbiologist Vladimir Pasechnik, who had been working on a doomsday biological weapon capable of destroying one third of the planet’s population.

In October 2004, Dmtry Lvov, head of the Russian Virology Institute declared that up to one billion people around the world could die during the next pandemic. It would appear that the human herd is about to be culled in spectacular fashion. For whatever reasons, the dead microbiologists wouldn’t go along with the program.

In order to ensure maximum confusion, an edition of the New York Times from January 2002 reported that the US government had seen fit to declassify hundreds of germ warfare cookbooks. Although Lee Harvey Oswald’s bank account information is sealed for another 50 years, federal agencies have been routinely documents to researchers through the Internet and even over the telephone.

The Times reported on the dangers of tainted vaccines as far back as February 1962. It turns out that the polio vaccines of the 50s & 60s were virally contaminated with diseased monkey kidney tissue, possibly accounting for the huge spike in cancer cases thereafter. But vaccines don’t require tainted monkey tissue to be considered dangerous. The Physician’s Desk Reference for 1998 lists any number of toxic vaccine ingredients including; formaldehyde, aluminium, phenoxyethanol (antifreeze)and human diploid cells (from aborted fetal tissue).

In May of 1987 the austere Times of London reported on its front page that the smallpox vaccine administered by the World Health Organization had triggered AIDS. 100 million vaccinated Africans were at risk. Areas with the largest amount of inoculations showed the greatest concentrations of AIDS cases. Robert Gallo was quoted in the article as endorsing the figures and stating that, “AIDS researchers will keep their mouths shut because they are paid to do so.”

In 1992 WHO director David Heymann stated that, “The origin of AIDS is of no importance to science today.” The Times also reported last December that Gulf War Syndrome had been positively linked to vaccines. More than 100,000 veterans currently suffer from the syndrome contracted in 1991 during Desert Storm. 20,000 veterans have died so far. Last March, Haruna Kaita, a pharmaceutical scientist and dean of a Nigerian university took samples of the latest WHO vaccine to India for analysis. Serious contaminants were found including sterility agents.

In 1995 the Catholic charitable organization Human Life International accused the WHO of attempting population control in Africa and elsewhere. In April 2000 the Observer newspaper reported that the pharmaceutical leviathan GlaxoSmithKline sponsored experiments on children at Incarnation Children’s Center in New York City. Children as young as four were given multi-drug cocktails. In other experiments, six-month old babies were injected with double doses of a measles vaccine. More than100 orphans and babies were used in 36 experiments.

This sort of experimentation has occurred with increasing frequency. Last year the Environmental Protection Agency received $2.1 million from the American Chemistry Council to conduct studies on children from impoverished families in Duval County, Florida. The children will be exposed to a variety of known toxins over a two year period. The study will determine how chemicals are absorbed, ingested and inhaled by children ranging in age from infants to 3 year olds. For taking part in the study, families will receive $970 and a tee-shirt.

What can be done-

Many parents believe that they cannot enrol their children in school without having them inoculated. But vaccines have always been voluntary. Dr. Zoltan Rona says that parents must demand exemption forms from school administrators. Exemptions can be made for spiritual or religious reasons. Rona states that parents may have to insist on having a vaccination waiver or declination form, and then have it notarized in order to present to school officials.

Also, before consulting a doctor, it may be prudent to consider the prestigious Journal of the American Medical Association vol.284 July 26, 2000. Therein is stated with astonishing frankness that American medical doctors are responsible for 250,000 deaths per year. Half of these deaths are attributed to the of wrongfully prescribed drugs. Interestingly, in the opening statement of the Hippocratic Oath, doctors make a declaration to Apollo. In the Greek vernacular, the word Apollo means destroyer.

It may also be prudent to heed the advice of former National Institute of Health director James Shannon who stated, “The only safe vaccine is the one that is never used.” This advice certainly resonated with President George W. Bush. On October 13of last year in the middle of the US Presidential debates, Bush emphatically declared, “I haven’t got a flu shot and don’t intend to.”

One month later Reuters carried a related and interesting item published in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. Harvard researcher Gerhard Scheuch stated that nasal inhalation of a simple saline spray can stop the flu virus and tuberculosis dead in their tracks. For reasons perhaps best known to Merck and others, this potentially life-saving information did not receive wide distribution in the popular press.

Mark Owen is a freelance writer living in Toronto, Canada. He can be reached markowen10@hotmail.com

:astonished: gasp never!

i dont know much about what people hate about our culture, but if i had to guess, i would bet that everybody is more upset with our little habit of ass-raping the third world. in latin america this century for example, there is a perfectly crystal clear pattern. starts out with an evil dictator who rapes his people and helps US business interests by taking land from peasants and letting the multinational corporations get away with breaking whatever laws they want.

then the peasants get really pissed off and they organize and start to revolt. then the US tells all its sheeple that it will be invading the tiny countries in order to stop the horrific evil of communism from destroying all that we love. then they either send their own troops like in panama, or they clandestinely use the cia to train the paramilitary to do the job for them, like in nicaragua, where the UN condemned our horrors and ordered us to pay $17billion in reparations.

you could rightfully call al-qaeda the miltary enforcers of the UN mandates. we gave them the finger and said “STFU! what are you gonna do about it, bitches?!” and osama stepped up to the plate.

this is all declassified, we certainly did train the troops that hang women by their ankles and chop off their faces and breasts. its a fact, we do it. the only defense our leaders could possibly give is that they dont actually give the orders to the troops telling them to chop off breasts and faces. but of course, if our politicians are truly outraged at these horrors, they would try to show some kind of protest. like maybe perhaps for example, they could stop shipping endless amounts of weapons to our friends who are giving the orders to chop off breasts and faces.

so we save these places from communism and our multinationals make the few rulers rich and they make themselves rich and they destroy the poor. brazil is refered to as an ‘economic miracle’ because it makes so much money and trades so much crap and its like the third biggest economic power or fourth or fifth or something good. then you actually go to the country and literally 80% of the population is more poor than hobos. this is the dream of the united states, to turn the entire third world into brazil. we love brazil, we praise them and talk about how great they have turned out. but it is a horrifying, disgusting, enraging travesty that literally makes me want to kill the people who cause it.

arabs dont care about cheeseburgers being imposed on them, they care about their wives being hung upside down with their faces and breasts chopped off in the name of subduing popular dissent. i honestly thought until recently that we could never actually go to a war with the intent of taking their oil. thats because the US has a really sweet stranglehold on the media and you have to try pretty hard to figure out the truth. or you could just read some noam chomsky, who went ahead and did that for us.

does noam chomsky lie? really i dont know. for the sake of humanity, i hope he does.

Xander and LiquidAngel,

Welcome to the conversation!

Right, let me answer your answers.

Xander; I could agree with you point that there is no “well-coordinated, organized intelligent cooperation between the terrorist groups”. Even if so, I don’t think it is relevant.

Groupuscules do not need to be well-coordinated. They do not need to be organized. And they certainly don’t need to cooperate.

All they need is a common cause. And a common cause can be ‘we hate America’. Again, we have seen pretty unholy alliances in the past: South Africa and Israel (cooperation on nuclear bomb), IRA and Colombian terrorists. I do believe if a group of Islamists can buy a nuclear bomb from the Russian mafia, say, then they will have no qualms about doing so.

As for overemphasizing the threat, I don’t know. Maybe we do, maybe we don’t.

LiquidAngel,

No, no one suggested you are a racist.

And no, I don’t agree that the problem starts within us. Your argument sound very ‘liberal’ (do you read The Guardian by any chance?!); always our fault, never the fault of anyone else, if only we understood them, oh, how guilty we all are. Groan!

FutureMan,

No I don not know why ‘they’ haven’t struck yet. Who knows? Possibly, they have no big bomb. Or they are waiting until The West drops its guard (hey, wait until the oppositio get into power and reduce the border controls and then we’ll smuggle our device in). Or they can’t agree on the next target (Houses of Parliament?, the 2008 Olympics?, the next Rolling Stones tour?, the next Gay Pride?).

Maybe they’ve tried and been unlucky.

I certainly don’t buy the argument ‘it hasn’t happened and therefore it will not’. I’ll go down on record and say that I expect another outrage within the next 5 years, somewhere in the world (> 5 000 killed).

I hope I am wrong.

Noel,

I was merely trying to illustrate, perhaps unwisely so, that your assumption that I am American is false just as the assumption that I’m a racist because I’m from SA is also false, and that I grew up during apartheid so I know of unrest all too well, mate!. Another assumption, that I’m liberal - why? This nonsence, (no, I don’t read the guardian) this is the British condition, not mine - I’m not running around feeling guilty because some guy hijacked a plane and killed everyone and himself, I don’t take responsibility for that.

My statements are far more subtle. Far more esoteric. That our environment is a reflection of ourselves. That if we want to know the world we must know ourselves or in this case if we wnat to know ourselves we need to use the mirror of the world and self-reflect on what we see. Everything that we see is indeed a picture of where we are at. We could be looking at the same thing but experiencing it very differently.

Since you don’t know, I’ll inform you that politicians and a wide range of media sources do overemphasize the threat of terrorist attacks. The paranoia is poorly founded and unsubstantiated with concrete evidence.

you poor thing, those god damn republicans broke your brain.

when i heard that the repubs said that osama wanted to the dems to win, jesus christ my head exploded. oh my god i cant talk about this, thank god i dont have to argue about elections for another few years.

anyway, we have NOOO border controls. 99% of shipping containers are not checked, the mexican border is very obviously about as secure as swiss cheese. like if you put a piece of swiss cheese in the middle of texas, thats how secure it is.

theres a good argument that says all terrorist resources are being spent on killing our soldiers in iraq, and i suppose i can believe that. but if i were a terrorist, i cant imagine not attacking america. i mean what is there to lose? will the us suddenly realize that we need to get serious about security and future attacks will be hampered? sure as hell doesnt look like it.

it started when we clearly, blatantly started the fight. imagine that a bully has hands made out of giant lazer guns, and he kills thousands of people. and everyone in his family and his friends get pissed off and tell him to stop, they sue him and the judge says that he really needs to stop. but he has lazer hands, so the cops cant do anything. then one guy gets the balls to smacks him in the face, and the guy with the lazer hands freaks out and kills thousands more. doesnt that sound stupid? dont you just want to kill that bully?