boom and bust cycles

In 1933, the university of Chicago published a book
by Homer Hoyt entitled “One hundred years of land
values in Chicago”. In our economy, land is a ready object
of speculations and its value is constantly changing.
What happens in a rising market, the up side of a business
cycle is that investors see rising prices in land as indicative
of a boom. thereupon, they try to increase their holdings in such
land, only to discover that their present returns will not pay for the
present costs of land: the current price of land is not based on
what the yield of that is land is today, but on what it is
projected to be two or three years from now. the difference tends
to increase until a point is reached when the imarginal buyer
of the land suddenly finds himself unable to meet the rising
cost to which he has subjected himself.
With bankruptcy threatens him or having been forced on upon
him, the land passes from his hands, and the market temporarily
becomes overpriced. the bankruptcies increase, and
ultimately land values are brought back to levels which represent
current productivity, at which the new boom will have started.

So the case history of 5 major booms and bust 1830-1933

  1. Machine techniques, production methods improved.
    Internet boom.

2.population begins to spurt up

  1. shortage of housing, office & commercial space first felt

  2. Rents begin to rise

  3. Selling prices of old buildings begin to advance

  4. vacant lot purchases begin to rise

  5. Rate of new construction begins to rise sharply

  6. Credit eases to stimulate volume of new building

  7. Rapid growth of population projected far into the future

  8. Prices of tracts near settled areas advance rapidly to peak

  9. Large tracts subdivided beyond needs of immediate development

  10. Lavish public expenditures

  11. Rise of population growth falls off

  12. vacancies reappear

  13. rise in rents slackens

  14. volume of building construction at peak

  15. asking prices of land advance in face of fewer land sales.

WE ARE AT NUMBER 18.

  1. Financial institutions continue loans on peak values in
    face of lessened construction

  2. Holders of 2nd mortgages begin to foreclose with faith in
    1st mortgages

  3. Stock market crash

  4. Unemployment mounts to peak: wages down

  5. increased movement of population to small city or farm:
    doubling up in city

  6. Vacancies mount to peak in houses, apartments, offices, stores,
    industrial rents down

  7. interest rates charges high in proportion to net rents

  8. taxes high in proportion to net rents

  9. Second mortgages holders wiped out in flood of
    first mortgages foreclosures.

  10. Bank failures mount: loaded with real-estate “frozen assets”

  11. Volume of new building at bottom

  12. Subdividing stopped: most vacant land not salable
    at any price

  13. construction costs at lowest point

Each step of this ladder has happened in Chicago 5 times exactly
the same way, it doesn’t mean it will happen the exactly the same
way this time, but 1-17 is pretty much right on and in that order
so you might be able to guess what will happen next.

This analysis was done by first done by Henry George and the book
by hoyt was further analysis of George’s work.
George analysed land values in chicago and Hoyt continue the work.

You have seen the future and it ain’t pretty.
Look for a stock market crash within a year or two.

Kropotkin

and maybe if you pray hard enough to your secular god it can come true.

-Imp

Impenitent: and maybe if you pray hard enough to your secular god it can come true."

K: a couple of things, first of all, if housing prices and stock market
go south, that hurts us personally big time. We own three houses
and my retirement is in those three houses, if the housing market
goes south, so does my retirement. Our left over money is in the
stock market and if that goes, I shall soon be selling apples on the
street. From a personal standpoint, this is very bad news for me,
I take no joy in it in having my retirement being destroyed.

I have no interest in see this collapse happening, but I believe
the village idiot policies contributed to it. I also suspect unless
there is a change somewhere, the list will come true, the stock
market will crash and housing will go into the tank within a
few years.

Last thing, why would I pray (I don’t pray anyway) for a collapse
that would hurt me so profoundly that it may cause me to
go into bankruptcy and destroy any chance of a retirement.

Kropotkin

because if the economy doesn’t crash and we don’t immediately lose the war on terrorism your dreams of a socialist totalitarianship via the democRAT party will never happen.

electing the party of tax increases and governmental slavery will not solve your problems…

-Imp

Apparently, you missed the point, whereas I am
in the tank if this happens. The second little thing
to be on the look out for because it as dangerous
is stagflation. This means we are getting high inflation
with a collapsing economy. The last time we
had stagflation was during the 70’s from Nixon to
Carter. You get high inflation with rising unemployment
and sinking economic news. It is a terrible mix and one
that will certainly hurt every single person in the U.S.
The bill from bush’s economic disaster is a coming.

Kropotkin

and if you would read some economic news besides the shit on the democRAT blogs you’d understand that the economy is doing great.

-Imp

only because the consumers still buy it

IMP: and if you would read some economic news besides the shit on the democRAT blogs you’d understand that the economy is doing great."

K: and you would consider “great economic” news as…
what exactly? The stock market is lower today then the day
bush got into office Jan 20, 2001. The real unemployment rate
is over 7%. This is consider the real rate because they don’t
include those who have stopped looking for employment
due to not finding anything. Inflation is rearing its ugly head
due to in part by rising gas prices, which affects everything else
in the American economy. Ford and GM have gone into the tank
because of their betting on their SUV being the big seller and now
they can’t even give those behemoth gas guzzlers away.
Every single economic indicator of late shows the economy is
slowing down. Housing is both slowing down and in some
places started to drop in price and amount of selling.
The economy can’t get a jump start because consumers
are maxed out credit wise, so there will be no more jump
in consumer spending. So where is the good news?

Kropotkin

Peter,

The stock market took a huge dump on 9/11, and this is not due to Bush’s economic policies. Considering how it was really low, and recently hit 11,000+, you might consider your math to be a bit off.

Also, at the moment, actually for about 15 years, our economy has shifted from an industrial base to a service base. Similar to the shift from a rural economy to an industrial economy, people have to find new types of employment. Currently, most of our goods are made overseas. Manufacturers hire our service experts to create the most efficient way to transfer goods to the markets. Hence, many people are hired to provide a service regarding the shipping of goods. Also, the middle and upper middle class, who are paid much better than the working class, are the ones who provide service, (i.e. lawyers, doctors, instructors, casinos). Many academic instructors make $75,000 starting pay and this excludes health benefits. Doctors and lawyers usually make more. Starting pay for a pediatrician is about $150,000 and is lower than other physicians. This may be a bit off at I am using a Pharmaceutical saleman who was bragging that he makes more than my physicians. He too provides a service.

With regards,

aspacia

:sunglasses:

aspacia: Peter,
The stock market took a huge dump on 9/11, and this is not due to Bush’s economic policies. Considering how it was really low, and recently hit 11,000+, you might consider your math to be a bit off.

K: uh, no. On jan 3, 2001 the feds dropped interest rates and
created a stock market rally. the rally lasted until march,
whereas the market began to fall, by march 9 the market was
10,644, by march 14 it fell below 10,100. Bush election was
jan 20, 2001, on the rise part. Around march 20, the market was
around 9500. It rose after that, but not that much on sept 3, 2001
the market was around 10,000 on sept 10, the market was at 9,600
It fell until october to 8,200. I use facts.

A: Also, at the moment, actually for about 15 years, our economy has shifted from an industrial base to a service base. Similar to the shift from a rural economy to an industrial economy, people have to find new types of employment. Currently, most of our goods are made overseas. Manufacturers hire our service experts to create the most efficient way to transfer goods to the markets. Hence, many people are hired to provide a service regarding the shipping of goods. Also, the middle and upper middle class, who are paid much better than the working class, are the ones who provide service, (i.e. lawyers, doctors, instructors, casinos). Many academic instructors make $75,000 starting pay and this excludes health benefits. Doctors and lawyers usually make more. Starting pay for a pediatrician is about $150,000 and is lower than other physicians. This may be a bit off at I am using a Pharmaceutical saleman who was bragging that he makes more than my physicians. He too provides a service.

K: The middle class is getting squeeze out. soon it will be
rich and poor just like any third rate banana country. I know
doctors (emergency room doctors) and they have been
paying off the various loans and by doing so, and so they
actually don’t make much money for years afterwords.

the second point comparing salarys does not show anything about
the state of the economy.

Kropotkin

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Peter, as of yesterday:

"Wall Street manages only minor gains

Volatility has again been the hallmark of trade on American equity markets overnight.

Stocks on Wall Street managed slim gains but only after recovering from big early losses.

At one stage on the New York Stock Exchange, the Dow Jones industrial average was down 173 points, or 1.6 per cent, but it closed eight points higher at 10,939."

Yes, I am paying student loans as well. Do you have any valid sources regarding this?

It shows that the economy is shifting from manufacturing to service centered. Fisteen years ago many were wringing their hands regarding this shift, some still are. People simply must shift trades to survive, I did as I realized that secretaries were on the way out. Chuckle, I am being proved correct at the moment with via voice, automatied answering for business purposes, etc.

With regards,

aspacia

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I’ll tell you straight up…I know very little about the US economy…but I do have enough common sense to know that $8 trillion in debt puts the US in an extremely dangerous situation and that the value of the US dollar seems to have dropped significantly. I’ve also heard similar warnings from other sources…foreboding a coming crash in our economy.

Nevertheless, I’ve finally been able to accumulate some extra money (being fresh out of high school and still hopeful, with big plans for the rest of my life)…but with this trend, would investing in the stock market be an unwise decision?

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At the moment, at least yesterday, it was over 11,000. I would not buy at the moment. If another bust comes, and it may if there is another major terrorist attack, I would buy then.

It interested, read The Wall Street Journal, and other sources regarding the stock market and the economy. Similar to you, I am no expert.

Good luck kid! :smiley:

With regards,

aspacia

indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a … -1/ZONES04

unexpected economic recovery?

unexpected RECORD SETTING REVENUES to the government?

oh no, it can’t be… tax cuts for the evil rich can’t work once again…

it was only unexpected to socialist totalitarians…

-Imp

Thanks for the good news Imp. =D>

With regards,

aspacia :sunglasses:

Impenitent: unexpected economic recovery?
unexpected RECORD SETTING REVENUES to the government?
oh no, it can’t be… tax cuts for the evil rich can’t work once again…
it was only unexpected to socialist totalitarians…"

K: cherry picking information again?
This administration is cheering itself for only having a
300 billion dollar debt last year as oppose to the estimated
400 billion. Cheering themselves. The only things it proved
was the administration is so incompetent it can’t even
make a reasonable economic estimate. And wait the real cost
is coming. When gas hits 5 bucks a gallon and the cost of all
those welfare for the rich programs begin to kick in and then
we will be in real economic trouble. By the end of this year,
we will be in the beginning of economic downturn that will not be
pretty.

Kropotkin

good seeing you back PK

[size=200]VIVA LA REVOLUTION!!![/size]

-Imp

The wife and I were on our ten year anniversary cruise to
Alaska. Missed you all, but there was no way in hell, I was
going to pay Internet fee’s from a cruise ship in Alaska.
I will be making a report in mundane babble in a few bits.

Kropotkin

sounds good!

-Imp