is it immoral to discriminate against someone who is from another country?
is it immoral to value joe schmo american’s life over joe schmo canadian’s?
it depends on the moral system
-Imp
im not much of a relativist.
it doesn’t matter if you are a relativist, the morality of any action is judged using a particular moral system. that’s why the statement “oh that’s immoral” is garbage. immoral to what or who?
-Imp
everyone. hence my statement “im not much of a relativist”.
thats not the point anyway. thats a totally different question.
Well ask yourself this, do you wish to have a bunch of strangers move into your home and you end up footing most of the expense? If the answer is, no you don’t mind, where do you live? I and my family will come for a visit. We will have fun with your home and money, I promise that you will enjoy it too. 
Your question about borders is answered by your answer to my question sort of.
such an open question. i discriminate a lot. people ARE different. cultures ARE different. it would be stupid to ignore these defining characteristics. however, i don’t think that this is what you meant. you are probably getting at ‘is it ok to be prejudice?’ which is the negative side to discrimination. judging on biases that are untrue, for the wrong reasons, or of too large of a group.
i know, semantics, but yet very important to the end result to have definitions clarified. at to this point, i say that it IS immoral to be prejudice. because you KNOW that you have no logical reason for being prejudice but are doing it anyway. you are consciously placing negative associations with people that do not deserve them. and if you knowingly do something wrong (wrong association) then you cannot be moral.
our most highly respected moral leaders (in history) have implied that all lives are equal. this has been the gold standard. the more you begin to seperate values for different people’s lives you slowly become less moral in the view of the many. look at buddhists, they value all lives the same. they are considered more moral than the general populace. even moreso, there is the jainists which won’t hurt a bug. they are commonly viewed as the most moral by many.
now i take it that since you titled this thread BORDERS, you are talking about the value of illegal immigrants versus that of citizens. this value is less about morality as it is to economics. who is paying for the workings of the gov’t? the citizens. who is being taxed? the citizens. who is being affected the most from gov’t’s decisions? the citizens. therefore i do not see any reason why illegal immigrants should be valued by the gov’t anywhere close to that of a citizen. just like when in my house, i value my own opinion much more than a guests’ opinion. they don’t have to pay for the home improvements. they don’t have to live with them. they don’t have to get the building permits for the work. they don’t have as much invested in my house as i do.
this has nothing to do with strangers. you can be a stranger and live within the same country.
nor does it have anything to do with stealing or exploiting anyone.
i dont care about your political agenda. you dont have to b.s. your way into the conversation and waste time.
yea yea… semantics… you know what i meant.
im not talking about illegal immigrants. im not trying to draw connections im just curious as to whether or not people can justify wasting life or discrimination via borders or not.
for the record though everyone living in this country is paying some form of taxes legal or not. to say an illegal is not as profitable as an illegal based on tax revenue is probably not the most accurate thing. spending… thats where people go nuts. how we spend on the illegals. but thats a bunch of confused mumbo jumbo because no one has a god damn clue where their money goes. mine goes to fast cars for the political elite. thats why im so angry about taxes.
CBA said:
Are they invited or uninvited, are they paying or non paying, are they staying or just visiting.
If they are paying their way and invited then they should not be discrimminated against. But, they should not have the same rights as a citizen of the host country, unless they become citizens also.
Any country has limited resources and those resources should go only to citizens or paying visitors.
So do I value a citizen that is on welfare and a drain, more than a wealthy paying visitor? Yes I do. The citizen has rights to resources that the other does not and the citizen should have more rights in their home country then the visitor. Sadly here in the USA we have what is called diplomatic immunity. this law sucks for the citizens here.
Is this closet prejudice immoral. No way.
The situation in the West is quite contrary to what you are saying. The Western countries are bringing in the young immigrants (legal) to work and pay the hefty tax so that the old in the host countries can get their pension and healthcare. So, to go with your example, it is like you coming to my home and I will have fun with your money meanwhile I make you believe that you are having fun too (living your “American Dream” 
Depends where you are discriminating. If you discriminate at work, it is unprofessional, at the hospital, it is unethical and if you are a Christian, it is immoral (“Love thy Mexican neighbor”
Take a bow Bishop, aspacia is applauding! =D> =D> =D>
Take a bow Kriswest! aspacia is applauding =D> =D> =D>
What are you tallking about. We allow x amount of legal, worker visas per year. ???
Could you be clear?
There are some immigrants or visitors that i am prejudiced against. Others no. Illegals and those that have diplomatic immunity. These are not good enough to kiss my rear.
Those that pay their way, give rather then take, join the community and help it rather than drain it, those that become citizens or here on work visas are welcomed to the family.
Those that are crashers and those that are here for other countries and have diplomatic immunity, suck. They deserve nothing but basic human commpassion as I show them the door forcefully but gently.
These nonresidents get more resources and rights then alot of our own. This is dead wrong.
I doubt it. Illegal immigrants usually pay taxes through their jobs, the fact that they are using fake ID means that they will never collect on the SS they pay or file a tax return. This puts $Billions into the government coffers.
Furthermore, very few would even consider asking for any type of public subsidy and will only seek health care in a dire emergency. Public health care costs for illegal immigrants is far less than what they cannot collect.
Legal immigrants have more rescources available to them than the average citizen but you have no problem with that.
Visitors are just that, visitors. The government has no obligation to them at all, if they get in trouble their only recouse is to appeal to their own government for help.
I am sure there are lots of people around the world just as upset about US diplomatic immunity in their own countries as you are about foreigners with it here. Diplomatic immunity is a two way street, without it US embassy personnel would be subject to all sorts of crap overseas.
I am afraid that you are misinformed.
No you are.
im not talking about immigrating anywhere. this conversation isnt about immigration.
stop bowing and stop applauding aspacia youve mutilated the point.
cb, you are discussing the morality valuing one person over another, right? What is moral to you, probably differs significantly from many other individuals, including bin Laden, right? Do we value our immediate family more that a stranger? Yes, most people do. Hence, many provide food, clothes and shelter to their family and not to strangers.
Also, you implied illegal immigration in you post.
And I will =D> if I damn well want to.
