Boy-Girl Drama

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With all this talk about love-drama around here lately, and Spring, and Sunshine, and the natural human imperative to reproduce…

…I feel the need to discuss somethings regarding my own relationship with a girl. Let me begin by saying all girls who are worthwhile for me to spend my interest in are taken by groups of men who actively-compete for social status so that they may impress this girl. If a girl grows up beyond high school and retains her virginity then she is either 1) severely screwed up, or 2) severely wonderful, moral, and pious. In my case, this girl (at the very end of her teenage years) I am talking about is not a virgin at all. So she has some kind of general attractiveness to males.

The case started out where she is living with a boyfriend who is willing to kill/murder for his girlfriend. She told me they “broke up” before her and I had sex ~ in fact, the day before! I withheld my orgasm because I have that much control over my libido and I am not willing to bear that responsibility in my life yet. I do not know if I believe her, the physical taunts/warnings she previously-expressed, or not, but it is rather inconsequential since the events already-happened. I have several concerns to think about here, including: my personal safety, the tactics I will use to steal this girl away, and the amount of effort I desire to put into all this. So far I have been playing the “friend” card even though we have pretty much gone all the way up to the very end point. However, I am now somewhat stuck on how I want to, or should, manipulate this environment to match my own selfish-personal desires. How badly do I want to ruin this girl if at all? How much essence of her should I leave to her other male competitors? Should I just leave her to her social group and sneak in for impregnation when that moment comes (I have the capability for it)? Should I live a more moral existence and lead-by-example in terms of Moral Authority even though that requires more (unnecessary) work on my part?

In this day & age, since Nothing is Sacred, I feel that I should just do whatever I want and may the consequences be damned to hell. I have the urge to use people very often through the exertion of my practical knowledge. I do not even enjoy spending time with most people, or anybody at all, unless they are giving me what I want unconditionally. That is how greedy and egotistical I am.

I ask and would appreciate your input on this, you ilovephilosophers… :sunglasses:

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Well, shit, that post made me withhold my orgasm too.

Seriously Ef&Vee, go stick a couple of feet of rubber hosing through your ear and flush the crap out of your brain.

Jesus.

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Tab, that was funny.

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If anybody would like to give me a serious response then I would appreciate that over being made a fool of.

Thanks either way.

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:laughing:

This thread reminded me of:

MGMT - Hot Love Drama

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You’ll never have a functional relationship if your thoughts have the same controlling undertones as your post. Impregnate her? Holy fuck. What are you thinking? How old are you? This is a serious response. I’m an expert on these matters and I can help you, but you’re gonna have to give me some more info.

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You have no idea how bad this is Smears. I am probably the most possessive person on the planet, no joke.

Everything has to be my way or I get very angry.

I am hardly “thinking” at all here. My penis is doing the “thinking”.

Late twenties.

Thanks ~ I understand.

This girl is going psychotic for me now and her boyfriend she just broke up with for a shot at me is cutting himself out of desperation and self-hatred.

I feel responsible but no pity for him whatsoever. I am manipulating everything I can get my hands on here…

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Man I once dated a chick who when I met her I knew was crazy, because I went to a bar with a guy I knew and she came because they were dating. When he looked left, she reached over and got herself a handfull of nuts. I tried to avoid her, and made an excuse to leave, then she got my number from his phone, and long story short I had what I though would be a one night stand with her, hoping that my boy would never find out. Well the next day, she showed up at my door talking about how happy she was that we were together now, and telling me that she left her man, my friend. Then he started calling me like crazy and long story short, we’re not friends anymore. I dated the girl for like 2 years after that.

First step was to convince myself she wasn’t psycho. That was easy. As in your case, my dick was doing the convincing, and she was in control of it. At that point in my life it had yet to turn into the leathery old practically sensationless object that it is today. That took time. However, I got myself thouroughly convinced, and it took me 2 years, 7 punches to the face, a stolen checkbook, a busted car winshield and a short criminal trial-by judge, (which thankfully was decided in my favor) before I realised that she actually wasn’t the girl I wanted to have kids with.

I’m not gonna give you any direct advice, because I’d have to say it to your penis for it to work, and that’s just tooo weird for me, but consider the above, and come back if you’re not convinced and I’ll tell you about my next relationship. I mean, if you read just through a few more girlfriends, you’ll see the point I’ll be making here, and that’s that you should not be so hasty in life. There’s alot of it to live, and I know you don’t want to live it alone, but there are some kinds of people who you’d rather be alone than stuck with, and it’s only a matter of time and persistence before you get the relationship that you deserve.

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Those are true words of wisdom there Smears.

This evening I have been subconsciously-sizing up all the women I see to compare them and decide on this would-be mother.

I am not sure yet…

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I know man. The next girl I dated, before it was over, started getting like 7 different prescriptions and I had to let her go. She got 120 clonazepam 2mg, and 60 adderal 30mg (not time released) along with ambien and god knows what else and also threw shit at me, never kept a job and was generally worthless. She was hot as fuck, and let me make all kinds of videos, (about 80 hours of tape), of anything you could possibly imagine that could occur between two people, (almost), but in the end, I couldn’t just have come crazy fucked up bitch hanging around all the time because it’s bad for progress. I realized that if I want a hot girl like that, then I have to make 100k a year, move to Miami and just get a different one for a night each weekend that I went out to the bars. You can’t keep the same one, and it’s easier to just pay them than it is to keep them around all the time.

Now I’m dating a 21 year old with two jobs, nice body, part time student, (wass full time last semester and will ne in the next), who’s granddad was a senator and has her own shit in life. She’s not a whore, doesn’t like anything other than pot and beer, and has yet to throw anything at me and it’s been almost 2 years.

But even in spite off all that, I couldn’t just give her my seed. I mean, that’s major shit. No turning back. If you’re a control freak like me, imagine being in a situation where another person could take you to court to steal your kid? Or where they could even go and abort it just down the street for a few hundred bucks and just tell you they had a “miscarriage”, she might do that and then try and get close to you to get your money and shit, and really not have any plans of anything but using you for support and dumping her problems on you and constantly bringing you down. That shit’s alot more common that you might think, well, some of it at least has to be.

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I’m a little confused by your attitude towards this situation. Please correct me if I’m wrong I don’t have allot of time and might have skipped on a couple of points. You say that you wish to simply use this girl, and then that you want to impregnate her. So I would take it that you actually want kids and don’t just have fantasies of getting girls pregnant? If its the first, then you seriously need to re-think the way you live your life. Even if you don’t intend to live with the girl you have your child with, having a child requires allot of responsibility, you say that’s your the most selfish person, that simply wont work if you intend on being anything like a decent father. Is it fair to bring a child into the world under such circumstances? Depends on how much you like English soap operas, because this sounds like a story line out of ‘East enders’. No offence man, I just think you need to think about the consequences a little more.

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You are the man. You make me scared for my dating future.

You are a sociopath.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sociopathic
You make me scared for the world’s future.

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If I am insane then what makes me different than you people?

Itlog must be the selfless-defender type. Rhinoboy I did not really-understand your post. Smears seems more reasonable & realistic.

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Lean over this way - c’mon just a little more. There SLAP. :astonished:

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Apparently I am anti-human.

Even little old women hate me.

Even though I walk them across the street.

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That produced an actual lol, not merely the urge to write lol.

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Just in case you don’t know it, this method is not 100%. Small amounts of semen can come out and often do pre-orgasm.

I really don’t understand. Earlier it seemed that it was pious and really wonderful if girls were virgins, but you had sex with this girl, meaning both of you were less than ideally pious.

Sneak in for impregnation? Are we out on the veldt? I thought you withheld orgasm for a reason?

Consequences can still be painful even if they are not somehow tied in with the sacred. For example listen to how this next sentence sounds: Nothing is Sacred so I used a nail gun on my thigh. To me that lacks logic.

I hope she manages to steer clear of you in the future.

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Religious piety is an ideal to which certain people ascribe. It is a natural desire to become something more than you (currently) are.

Assume I was 5’10" and I wanted to become 6’10". My desire to become taller is my ideal in that case. Piety works in the same way.

And if I want to become taller then I should have children with a very tall woman. That could require a large sum of money.

I definitely-am fresh off of the veldt. I am outdated. I should probably-be killed or jailed immediately by society. I am dangerous.

And people don’t like me because I don’t allow them to like me. It is difficult for me to communicate with people. I am an animal.

My circumstances right now are less-than-ideal. As Smears points out, there are reasonable circumstances when to have children or not.

That is just a bad analogy and a bad reference to Nothing-as-Sacred. When I use the term, what I mean is people in supposedly-civil society actually do not give a shit about each other. It is all pretense. It is pretending. People only pretend to care about each other due to the selfish nature of humanity, as well as all lifeforms. But few people see this correctly and accurately. People lie to themselves in order to avoid these self-defeating delusions. People become Nihilistic rather than confront reality as reality-stands. This Nothing is Sacredness is the direct result of this self-deceit.

Old farts with a pair of kids and a pretty wife convince themselves they neither lied nor molested a woman to get their way, domination, when in fact this is not the truth of the matter. The only things that are ever obtained, including women, and including children, are taken from another. Civilization is built on theft, not honesty. The very advent of Christianity and other religious systems were presupposed to prevent, or, control this cycle of violence with an overbearing, and common, social delusion. And it worked for the most part, until Nietzsche came along and exposed most Nihilists for what they are: liars. Christians do not believe in God. They believe in Satan. They worship false idols: money. Money is and always has been a means to an end: security. And even money becomes devalued and worthless when all the money in the world can save you from Satan, or in other words, a lack of moral conviction. You lose your soul. You sell your soul to the devil. People become worthless this way: fertilizer, just as cows and lambs are led to the slaughter.

Nothing is Sacred though. Kill people. Or kill yourself. It doesn’t matter. Do whatever you want to, right???

She is either very intelligent or very unintelligent.

Then again people do not steer clear of me enough in an online forum. How are they supposed to do the same without reading my thoughts beforehand?

I look like a normal person on the outside while I manipulate everything & everybody on the inside. I wonder if you are any different than I am? :-s

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Most piety I see seems like a desire to become less than you currently are. I will not __________. And I will not _____________. Also here it sounds like you are speaking of others, but in the OP you said

about said virgin. As if it was your morals.

Generally piety refers to adherence to rules and or reverence for God.

Well, you say you are. And not pious. But you should know not a single animal on the veldt withholds orgasm.

I communicate fine with many animals and vice versa. The social animals are even very good across species.

Then it seems clear it is not the right time to swoop in and impregnate.

Ah, small ‘s’.

Polemical, but I don’t disagree with the gist. But still even this interpretation does not mean that you should set yourself up for bad consequences. I can see where it leads you not to care about what others experience, but that’s a different thing. Getting women pregnant can lead to financial problems, for example. Neither sense of Nothing is Sacred being true would lead me to hurting myself.

If you are sure everyone is like this, I understand your nihilism.

I can’t see spending much time in a philosophy forum presenting my ideas if I think all people are, basically, shit. But that’s me.

She is invovled with an unstable person and she is cheating on him. Emotional attachment to someone in the state she is in now will lead to pain.

You can’t impregnate us or even slap us. The veldt is severely restricted here.

I don’t think I look like a normal person. People tend to be struck by my looks, not that I am especially handsome. As far as manipulation, sure, it happens, probably daily. But it is not all of me, by far. And the more I have unraveled that the more contact I have made with others who are unraveling their manipulative side.

Of course in some contexts it is silly to be open and honest. I have also had to learn that. Openness and honesty can be self-manipulation in the name of an ideal. I have learned how to lie and lie well without remorse, but also how to be honest - and it is not primarily about the words you use.

You have presented your nihilism as pretty final, but at the same time you are here posting and trying to present your truths to an audience. That implies your generalizations may have exceptions.