Anyone else thinks it is purely coincidental Trump’s timing in showing up to Scotland?
Incan’t wait till it is the US’s turn to succeed from the Democrats and effectively do the sane thing. You notice the UK were suffering from the same polling irregularities that only polls liberals (missed over a million voters) as has been noted in the US with Hillary polling discrepancies. They actually think you can demoralize voters into backing the other side by showing growing, overwhelming force… doesn’t happen when they are all several pissed and looking frantically for a way out. Most skeptics looking at Hillary’s sudden bump in the polls note the polling methods skewed them, and there wasn’t much of one. Just like in England, they convinced everyone England was staying despite England clearly was leaving… go so bad the markets bought that bullshit.
We now know the liberal racist card doesn’t work anymore. Nobody fears it anymore, pure smear, usually the accusers are the actual racists, like Kropotkin in his all white Utopia in the SF area.
Note the regions that voted RemaIn: London, Northern Ireland and Scotland, for fear of being deported. London definitely voted through fear, and I am certain that any confidence that Jeremy Corbyn’s camp had in him is now waning… due to his lack of influence that they thought he had on the voting public, and to his non-understanding of the U.K. voting demographic.
Some of the strongest support for leaving came from northern Ireland though, you gotta remember that. It was the border areas, right up against a EU border, undoubtedly meshed economically, that voted hard against it. They likely have properties on either side, or jobs. I suspect Ireland will be amongst the very first states new pacts will be negotiated with.
In regards to Scotland, you gotta seriously, unfairly, bankroll them… and then the second they agree not to succeed, send a shitload of poor people up north to live, so they can’t vote out again. That is what Canada did for quebeq… made them a economic powerhouse so they couldn’t bitch about exploitation, then flooded it with Gibs so it couldn’t vote to leave.
Leaving is a remarkable stupid decision will cost the UK for well
over a decade and far more importantly, damages the future.
If you have any historical sense at all, you can see the trend that
human beings have been following since we have climbed out of tree’s.
From the one to the few to the many to all. societally, we have grown
from one person to a family and then a few families unite then
several families unite, then at that point government begins.
a ruler gets elected and he appoints a couple of people to help him
and that kids is how government began. a few years pass and the several
families grow and turns into a village. With the growth of the village,
the government also grows. You now have dedicated jobs to fill, security
for example which would be our police and you have scribes who keep track
of the taxes needed to run the government. The growth of the village dictates
the growth of the government. You get a ambitious ruler who attacks and
takes over other villages and then government expands to cover those
other villages. At each step, with the addition of each city into these
rulers kingdom, you get a larger and larger government. soon you have
empires like the Sumerians and the Egyptians. At each step, the
number of people who wind up into these empires grow larger and
larger and with each step, the government grows larger. Soon,
you have the Athenian empire and afterwards the Roman empire.
This model works for the east as it does for the west.
From small to large, the growth of civilization travels
in a line. Now for whatever reason, the empire may collapse
and several smaller entities may take its place.
this has happened numerous times and each time,
it has lead to what is often called, “times of troubles”.
Where the small entities cannot unite and this leads
to extreme difficulties within those small entities.
Quite often war becomes endemic within those small
entities, see China, see the Hellenistic period after Alexander,
see after the fall of Rome. It has too often to be a coincidence.
So what will happen after the UK leaves, it is clear.
A time of troubles where wars becomes not only
possible but likely. So I predict some part of Europe will have
a war within 10 years. anyway, the growth pattern of
humans is clear… From one to a few to many to all.
We are at the state of many and if we fail to become
all, then we risk a middle ages situation where society
collapses like Europe collapse after the fall of Rome.
and after many years, the forces of history will
once again begin the process of uniting Europe
and we will head back to where we were going in
the first place, which is a united world. A world wide
version of the EU and that is not only wanted but
necessary. We must unite or we as humans will not
succeed. the future whether you like it or not,
is a world wide uniting of human beings into one
government. That is our future and the only
possible outcome that allows us to survive.
Once you have studied history, it becomes clear
and understandable. We must unite or die… simple as that.
I must say that I’m surprised and shocked that the internationalists or globalists lost England. Here I was thinking that England was going to go along with the union in the end. A pleasant surprise indeed.
After this latest action by England I think things will escalate where France, Portugal, Spain, Italy, Greece, and the Netherlands will follow the same suit shortly after. Imagine if you will Nigel Farage as the next British prime minister.
The wild card of course will be the reaction from Germany in all of this as Germans have the most to lose with the dissolution of the European Union project. Well, German elites and bankers anyways. I wonder for instance how Deutsche Bank is feeling after today. Very interesting times, however at this late of the global game economic collapse and world war is still inevitable regardless of these actions taken. There is no stopping what is coming globally and the result of that at this point around the world is unknown.
I have read history books Kropotkin, far more and of far better quality. It is how I know your usually wrong.
Unlikely, outside of Serbia and the Russian border. Collapse of the EU won’t mean the collapse of NATO, or a desire to avoid trade for a older version of capitalism, like before Adam Smith. I don’t think anyone in the UK were angry at trade, they were angry at the lost of control of their laws and borders. I fully expect them to invent a new EUish tier below that of Norway’s half ass entry into the EU… just trade. I think once it gets ironed out, a great number of states will likewise bail out of the EU, cloning the treatises the UK is going to be path finding.
Many states, especially central and eastern European, will want the freedom of migration the EU offers… expect the EU to go down slowly, not nearly as fast as you expect, but seismic activity under angry national leaders every now and again. Some aspects, like France’s push for the further centralization of banking, may very well survive into the next future version of the EU, after the rest of the old EU more or less dies off by time we are old. Similar to how the Catholic church survived the imperial collapse in the west, was still around though countless eras… to this day, not going anywhere. Lots of people wished it away, but it is larger than ever. Some aspects of the EU likewise may be inescapable. I doubt all out war. I think you will get excited though crying I Told You So when the Serbs or Russians try something… NATO exists for the time being… unless Trump grows frustrated from the paracites in Europe and call for a Amerixit from NATO… only then is Europe screwed.
K: and thus admitting you don’t have one a explanation
for our current situation. It is refreshing for someone to admit
their lack of knowledge. You don’t know the past, you don’t know
the present and you have no clue about the future…’
all you can do is attack other people’s idea because you have no idea’s.
Thank you for admitting it.
i’m still not clear on what people think the benefits of the UK leaving the EU are going to be?
i mean, just the fact that Trump thinks it’s a good idea is like 30 strikes against it. He’s not exactly savvy when it comes to understanding foreign affairs, nor does he have any good ideas about much else. So what makes this a good idea?
K: and that is the point… there is no benefit to leaving the EU… one argument has been
“taking back your country” What exactly does this mean? Take back your country from…
The so called tyranny of Brussels? In our modern world, isolationism cannot succeed, we
are too connected… take back your country from the bankers has been another argument
but the bankers? Really, that is why we have laws. To stop immigration?
You want to stop people from immigrating to your country, try this, improve their
homeland enough so they stop immigrating to your country. Fix the problem at its source.
The so called immigration problem is really not the cause of the problem, it is the effect
of the real problem which is the original country from which people flee from. Stop them
from fleeing and you stop the immigration problem. For example, you want to stop
Mexicans from immigrating to the U.S, create jobs and a better infrastructure in Mexico
and you stop Mexicans from immigrating into the U.S…Immigration is not the cause but
the effect of the real problem… But one would say, we can’t influence another sovereign
country like Mexico, ah, but we can if we are in a EU type of situation.
building walls doesn’t do anything about immigration but helping a country
become economically stronger does influence immigration. You want to solve the
world’s problems, the answer lies in each country working together to create answers.
For most of the world’s problems lie beyond one individual country to solve.
An example of this is the greatest problem the world faces and that is
the growth of the population. Bar none this is the greatest problem facing the world.
but one country cannot create a solution for overpopulation and even a EU situation
cannot be the answer, but a world solution, yep… A world’s problem takes a world
solution. This is why the UK made a really bad decision. The problems of the UK
is not solvable by the UK, it is only solvable within a group context, a EU and bigger
situation.
Yesterday many new trade deals opened up between the UK and interested parties… deals that we would never have gotten by bremaining… and that was just yesterday
Now all we need is a Leader to lead us out of the Brexit and trigger Article 50, which no-one wants to touch with a barge pole, ergo Boris Johnson’s exit from the Leadership race.
