Obama is dead long live the next Republican retard.
Not saying they all have been but Reagan initiated the global economy to collapse, Bush got us involved in a war, and his retard son then persued it to his ineveitable demise. At least Clinton kept the budget positive, even if he wasn’t the greatest President of all time. Repbulicanism is fine by me seriously I like yin and yang it’s healthy, but they are just totally fucked by Bush Jr atm. Need to reinvent themselves as a party the world gives a fuck about, because you can be damn sure only the stupid states do atm.
Frankly your two party state atm is going through a crisis of faith because you’ve let nothing but mediocre people in power for the last 30 years, stop voting in people who can play the banjo, start voting in people that matter. Obama who knows, too early to tell, he’s trying his best, but you’ve got a shit hole now. I’d feel symapthy for you if I didn’t have empathy we’re just the same in my country, something needs to happen. I think you are finally realising in a democracy you only get the government you deserve, along with us. It’s take out the trash time.
I agree with that. The only real positive things I can say about Bush Jr. is I think he did the right thing on terrorism (even Obama is following suit), and his minor tax cuts were small but a help. Other than that, he was an empty suit, scared of his own shadow and afraid to do the right thing.
But you’re wrong about Reagan. If it hadn’t been for him, the economy would have tanked long before and we’d be kissing Soviet ass. The economy tanked because of the Community Reinvestment Act. It was initiated by Carter (our worst President in history–until our current Carter II showed up), doubled-down by Clinton and his Attorney General, Janet Reno, who used threats of legal action to pressure banks to make loans to unqualified borrowers. Obama is an apostle of the radical, near anarchist, Saul Alinsky and the Cloward-Piven Strategy of Orchestrated Crisis he inspired. Obama even taught classes based on his philosophy and his book, Rules for Radicals.
Rubbish Gorbochev did all the work, Reagans only claim is that he was willing to go along with it because the cold war was obsolete and designed only to make idiots take their eyes of the worlds real problems.
Reagans “Laissez faire” economics freeing up restrictions on lending and Margaret Thatchers ass licking and pandering to such things was the cause, then when labour got in they encouraged people to buy to prop up the economy that was the result of the inevitable crash of the economies, and that’s when the shit really hit the fan. Any retard can see that.
If you look back it’s possible to watch the whole thing with an impending sense of doom. Which is why libertarians are more unrealistic and plain flat out wrong even than communists. Free market shut up you retards, nothing in life is free not even speech and certainly not you, hence society you spanner.
Socialists = pie in the sky merchants
Communists = dreamers
Liberals = idealistic dreamers with a penchant for social reform and limited capitalism
Centerists = people who can’t decide which is best or ditherers
Conservatives = idealistic dreamers with a penchant for capital
Libertarians = delusional
Fascists = idiots who were probably bullied at school and or crap at art.
Nationalists = idiots who think patriotism is a pillar of wisdom instead of the cause of all wars since Imhotep first said I know let’s visit Israel!
That’s why there’s a two party system or three or more with the exception of cumminism which if you ask me is nothing more than a transition from monarchy to democracy, it’s what’s known as keeping the delusional/dreamers in power only so long as they prove useful, if not they are first against the wall.
I see. You got any solutions or are we just fucked up with no decent path available?
Make that “a transition from monarchy to oligarchy” and you’ve pretty much got that one right. I don’t know how “democracy” ever became an ideal in this country, it didn’t start out that way. Our founders were more afraid of it than a monarchy. Democracy is nothing but two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for lunch, i.e. mob rule.
There is no solution to democracy it merely limits the damage any one idiot can do in his life time, and that is as good as it gets. the two+ party systems ensures a balance between one set of ideals and another, thus ensuring provided your goal posts are wide enough that there is some progress between conservative and liberal and socialist. Or just conservative to less coservative if you have some wierd fucked up business run system for sale to the highest bidder crap hole like the US does.
So you advocate letting true mob rule rule instead of democracy which is organised mob rule. This is why libertarians are so idiotic, they are just not living in any real world like social or non social anarchists their libertarian opposites, they are just pie in the sky merchants like the socialists. Human beings aren’t altruisitic or purely selfish, thus any system that caters to the widest core values of its population is going to work better than one that caters either exclusively to altruism or self interest. That is just self evident given history. Which is why I think the libertarians are a joke, or a joke party wherever they exist. They are kind of like socieites disease, making the social whole less healthy or at least trying to. Elitism is moronic and anyone who forfeits their reason to it is a slave be it economic “freedom” if that even makes sense or social “freedom”. No man is born free, is free or has true freedom, unless he lives on his own millions of miles from anyone and has no moral system.
Personally I find that all libertarians I have met in real life, are wealthy middle class, politicised elitists, and usually only children. They are also all without exception sadly cunts, who make me cringe with embarrassement at their moral turpitude.
At least I live in a country that vaguely understands that Capitalism is not God, and banks are not its temples nor bankers it’s preachers, nor are economists its missionaries.
This is an example of the reactionary, emotional black-and-white type of thinking that is the cause of our problems today. Supporting a candidate merely because he talks a good talk about opposing the currently discredited majority party is idiocy. . . do you realise TPT that the motives that got Brown elected are the exact same motives that got Obama elected? Reactionism and emotion, not a focus on the actual fucking person you are voting for. Does anyone give a crap about the fact that you are voting for someone? No, they only care about voting against the other guy. Hence we get the downward back-and-forth spiral that has led our political system into the gutter. Shit A or shit B, take your pick slave. Oh, shit A is in charge and shit B says that they dont like shit A, lets vote for shit B then! Seriously. Pathetic.
No one knows or cares what Brown stands for, all they care is that he gives the appearance of opposition, of difference, and thus it gives voters a sense of revenge and gloating self-righteousness to vote for him. The motives behind voting for Brown are as impure and idiotic as the motives were for voting for Obama.
Not to mention that the disorganisation and internal differences within the DFL over health care and other major issues is likely a huge cause of the lack of voter support for Coakley. This election is more the work of the infighting and uncertainty among DFL members and voters, combined with the idiocy of “conservative” voters who just want to stick it to Obama and dont care how they do it.
I direct this at all Republicans, but none on this forum obviously>
A patriot is not a Republican with a boner for war, it’s a person who cares enough to attack his system when it is sick and not pettilly squable amongst the other non Republicans like some sad little ass wipe.
End of story, all I see these vocal Republicans who mess up democratic process as is whining gimps and idiots. The same goes for anyone remotely libertarian; you’re as bad as the communists, get over yourself grow up and start contributing to society you elitist sack of shit nobody mushroom. No one cares how much money you have it’s fucking trivial you dumb twat.
Please keep in mind that whether directed at anyone in this forum specifically or not, posts like that will henceforward be moved to Rant House.
Don’t get me wrong, throwing generalizations and insults out there does not bother me so much as long as it is at least balanced by argument, facts and support against the parties being insulted.
The Republican fringes are mental lets face it. It doesn’t need to be backed up everyone knows what the Anne Coulter types are like.
Republicans have undergone a crisis of faith some are carefully recouperating and considering strategies, some those mentioned in the post above are throwing their toys out of their prams and ranting like infants.
I don’t have much of a problem with that. It might be just my Moderation style, but tone has a lot to do with it when it comes to the way I feel about posts as well. The tone with what you wrote above is fine, in my opinion, generalizations or not.
Besides, those seem more like opinions with underlying insult than insult with an underlying opinion.
Truth hurts. The fact that there are Anne Coulter types out there is a fact you can’t argue with.
I don’t really care if it offends your sensibilities to be assoscaited with such human flotsam, they are all to apparently pretty sorry individuals that really don’t represent Republicans as a whole.
Yeah, there’s probably some of that. People and scared and they react emotionally. But, paineful truth be known, I saw this coming a long way off as have many others of lesser emotional influence. You equate the opposition to an Ann Coulter fringe. Whatever. You sound just like the leftist fringe who claim that Gore was robbed in 2000, or that global warming isn’t a hoax, or that Obama isn’t a hard core Alinskyite bent on implementing Cloward-Piven. But it doesn’t matter what you or I think, a large majority see it that way and are going to get off their couches and react in November.
Yes, Painefully so.
I’m pretty sure you don’t care, at least not at the moment, but I am neither a Christian nor a Republican, so flail away if it makes you feel better. I have not given you my permission to offend me. And if I was ebullient at the prospects presented by the election in Massachusetts, I’d say I have something of a right given the Democrat hegemony for the last 45 years, and the fraud by which they betrayed me personally in the process by their self-serving misrepresentations.
It wasn’t directed at you so I’m not sure why you felt the need to post this.
I presume you are a libertarian. In my experience libertarians don’t rant, but they do tend to be woefully out of touch with reality much like marxists/communists.
I’m not a US citizen hence I don’t support any of your political views, and in fact I think your system is little more than business ran. But I do think Bush was a moron though.
It’s pretty reasoned if you ask me, but then I like everyone else in the world am not toiling under a business run health service that leaks money on bureacratic waste, and arguing the toss with lawyers.
Yes, libertarianism is a joke, if only because it is so out of touch with the way that the real world works. To call libertarianism simplistic would still be giving it far too much credit. The problem is that all political “parties” and “systems” and “ideologies” are harmful and ignorant of a great deal of how the world operates - it just so happens that each ideology is ignorant of areas that another might not be, so we get this weird cross-sectional overlapping, where most of the time each ideology is only talking past the other based on its own mistaken and skewed/oversimplified view of the world.
And on top of that, the major parties have a solid interest in convincing you that they are both opposed to each other in fundamental ways as well as they only viable choices out there. That way they can play the reactionary game, and we get a political system which swings from one shit to another shit, not even realising that the “differences” between these groups are superficial only.
Note the hypocrisy of republicans whining about spending and deficits when they presided over massive spending increases and huge deficits during Reagan and both Bush’s - and note the hypocrisy of republicans attacking healthcare proposals while they were the ones who passed massive Medicare prescription drug coverage expansions, to score political points with seniors. Spending, debt and the size of the federal government grew tremendously under all three previous republican presidents. They have no ground to stand upon here, they are only hypocrites and liars. At least the democrats are somewhat consistent in where they stand, even if their ideologies are for the most part total garbage.
None of these idiots cares about you, or about fixing our government or public systems. They only care about their own power and wealth. They will say what they need to in order to make a good sound-byte for Fox News or CNN to run and for millions of loyal dogs to absorb unquestioningly.
Good thing that Americans have such a short attention span as well as virtually no critical thinking skills, else our entire political house of cards would come crashing down almost immediately.
You wrote, “do you realise TPT that the motives that got Brown elected are the exact same motives that got Obama elected?”
Yes, a small “l” libertarian. I used to be a card carrier, but resigned after 9-11.
I wish. We have been moving lurchingly toward socialism/anti-capitalism and anti-constitutionalism since the 30’s when Social Security was enacted and the War on Drugs was initiated (to spite the anti- Prohibitionists), both without benefit of a Constitutional amendment as Prohibition had. Nobody said anything, so the politicians took it an ran with it, hitting their stride with Johnson’s Great Society, Carter/Clinton’s devastating “Community Reinvestment Act” which brought about our current economic crisis which is being vastly exacerbated by Obama’s total disregard for fiscal responsibility. Our Constitution is now like the Queen of England, a symbol with no teeth.
What political views do you support? Do you understand the probable implications of Brown’s win in Massachusetts?
…not even realizing that the “differences” between these groups are a matter of degree only. Republicans are now merely socialists lite.
Yeah, well, Obama and the Democrat super-majority has gone so far over the top, they now has a majority of our undivided attentions. That is the critical bit of information contained in Brown’s election. People can’t wait for November, and the Dems, irrationally, keep flashing their arrogance and incompetence in our faces, building up ever increasing resentment to be released in November.
I don’t think the US has ever been socialist, it doesn’t have a socialist bone in its body. If anything it’s a scary goblin used to scare kids at night. Until you’ve lived under a socialist system I’d refrain from ascribing capitalist ones that name.
There are plent of socialist governments or parties, but few socialist systems.
We are living under a socialist system by any definition.
Starting with Social Security, how far do you want me to go?
Medicare
Double, triple, quadruple taxation via over 50 types of taxation including the death tax
The War on Poverty via wealth redistribution on down to Obama’s answer to Joe the Plumber.
Welfare
government schools, and especially the federal Department of Education
Asset Forfeiture
Overturning eminent domain
The Federal Reserve
Nationalizing banks and auto companies
The Community Reinvestment Act (which pressured companies to make mortgages “more affordable” for those who couldn’t afford them), which resulted in our (some are saying intentional) current economic crisis.
Fascism is a socialist system whereby ownership remains in private hands but is controlled via regulation or directly by the government. Of course we’ve even exceeded that limit now.
Technically, all government is socialist (government courts, law enforcement, military). But when government exceeds that basic mandate, that is what is usually meant by socialism. No matter how you define it, we are heavily socialized in the most negative sense of the word, and with the attendant loss of freedom it entails. To paraphrase Franklin, those who trade freedom for security, will loose both.
