burkas are great!! (the black cloaks taliban women wear)

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seriously, why do women think that burkas are so bad? because you cant show off your slutty prettiness? are you that vein? oh right it discriminates against women, and of course we all have to completely disregard the fact that women are entirely different from men when we are formulating the rules that govern our behavior. because sexism is bad. even though the sexes are entirely different. cough sarcasm.

imagine you are an ugly girl who lives in america.

every day, you say to yourself, not “i think im prettier than her” “my boyfriend thinks that i am prettier than her” “i hope my boyfriend doesnt see how pretty she is”

you say to yourself:

“i am so much fucking uglier than she is. i am so much uglier than everyone is”

how do you feel?

now lets say every girl looks like a black sheet. would you ever think such things?

when your arranged husband (as they virtually all are) finally sees you, after never seeing any girls besides his sisters, who he is annoyed by and sexually disgusted by, when he finally sees you, what will he think?

oh god she is so much less hot than my sister! i wish she was as hot as my sister is!
or
shes a girl, who only i see. and her vagina feels good. and nobody will ever know how ugly she is. if in fact huge noses, ten+ facial moles, a huge underbite, bug eyes and droopy lips are considered ugly… how would i know? ive never seen a girl who was considered ‘normal’ before, because uh… there is no concept of normal girls in my culture. because nobody knows what girls look like.

think about it GIRLS. you never worry about being pretty. the whole concept is foreign to you. sure it sucks if you happen to be pretty. but its awesome if you arent. and if you are pretty, you wont understand what youre missing out on.

its kind of like communism.

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Actually, it’s like capitalism in that each woman is wrapped up like a little safety deposit box or a Christmas present. The girl gets “gifted” to someone and then is a baby machine.

Additionally, the thing acts as a type of analogue to bondage gear.

Beyond all of that burkas are a fire hazard.

Imagine that you are wrapped in dark baggy clothe with a mesh grill over your face. You are standing next to a smoking infidel that is careless with his ash. A black smoldering bit lands inside of the burka’s copious folds. You are walking at as brisk a pace as your floor length dress will allow. It’s not fast, but fast enough to fan the little coal into a fast burning heat. You smell smoke! You see smoke! You quickly spin to find the source of the burning on your back. Opps! You are now blinded as your head has gone one way and the mesh grill on your hood the other! Suddenly your ear has its first view of the world. Panicked, you now find yourself moving forward. You are running from your burka! Soon, one of your little feet gets tangled up and you find yourself painfully connecting with the pavement. You lay there and scream for help, but no one will remove the burka because that is a sacrilege! After you pass out from the pain you wake up in the hospital. The doctor tells you that your face and body are hopelessly melted like candle wax. You are reassured that no one will notice because your family has bought you a brand new burka. It’s times like this when you are sure of god’s grace.

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well…

when you wear low rise jeans, your jeans could catch on fire and when you try to run your hips get all chafed and you stop to loosen them up but by the time you realize that thats impossible, your entire face burned off. wtf.

are you denying that girls have an irrational need to feel pretty? and that it hurts them as a whole? and that burkas would entirely eliminate this need?

i didnt pull this idea out of my ass, islamic girls have said that they feel this way, and that they pity american sluts, they pity how american girls have to work hard for… what an hour? before they go to high school. dont say it doesnt happen, i know these girls. they have specifically described to me how they get ready for an entire hour before almost all days of high school. i spent 10 minutes. imagine that, you pretty sluts. you spend ten minutes preparing yourself to look as gorgeous as you possibly can. ten. minutes.

honestly, how many girls feel that they are totally pretty and never have to put on makeup and wear designer clothes or expensives shoes or anything at all??

of those who are actually self confident, how many of you are much smarter than that poor average girl? how many average girls are there? how many girls are so smart that they are self confident?

i think the burka was invented as a tool to alleviate the irrational tendencies of virtually all girls. sure its a shame that some girls will feel victimized, and of course they should be given the option to divorce their appointed husbands. but when you look at the culture, you cant just say “my god they are so stupid and backwards and everything they do is so WRONG” because its not.

the burka has been specifically targeted as some kind of tool that is used for the benefit of man. how the crap does it benefit men? we want to see your sexy asses and your fake make up faces. you know we want it and thats why you do it. but its sucks to be you. because we dont do shit. we wake up, put on deoderant and go. what if you were completely capable of doing the same without feeling like a freak of nature, completely different from every girl you see?

if you just woke up and put on deoderant, no makeup, no hair modification (and you have long, otherwise sexy hair), what would every other girl think of you when they saw you? ‘my god shes so ugly, i am like totally not going to respect her’ and if you dont care what they think, good, lie to yourself. works for me.

but what if burkas were normal? imagine that world.

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Future man, you sad sad boy…

Maybe its just personal preferance… but theres nothing better in this world than a really hot girl… Nothing! And its not even having sex with them. Just the aesthetic pleasure. Nothing is more visually pleasurable than a sexy female form. I would kill myself if I couldn’t admire at least that much in this world. Please dont tell me you would want this:

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covered up. Dont ever even consider it, if im around. I will not allow it.

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please turn your brain all the way the hell on.

i mean… way the hell on. it took me until i was 17 to turn it this much on. and im pretty smart.

now read the last one of my quotes, actually just read it here:
“If you wish to make Pythocles wealthy, don’t give him more money; rather, reduce his desires.” - Epicurus

think. think more.

i like sluts too. i go to college. they walk around with their low rise jeans. and my hormones force me to look them. of course i like to see their asses.

but what if you never saw a tight pants ass in your whole life. what if you never knew what a tv was. what if you never played video games. what if you never ate sugar-filled candy. what if you never did a whole gram of coke every day for 5 weeks straight.

would you be addicted to those things? would you appreciate a girl for her essential qualities instead of her sexy ass? if she had a pathedically flat ass, by american standards and you lived in afghanistan, would you actually understand that her ass is flat?

no. you would love your wife as much as you have been expected to. you would understand one thing: this is my wife, and i must love her. there are absolutely no details concerning her physical appearance. if her boobs are flat, you dont understand what flat boobs mean. if her lips are like tiny slivers, you wont understand what kind of lips are good for blow jobs.

“If you wish to make Pythocles wealthy, don’t give him more money; rather, reduce his desires.” - Epicurus

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You are just an asshole man. Why the hell do you have to call them sluts. I mean, they may be by defenition sluts, but I can sense the distaste in the way you say it. I hate people that hate on sexually liberated women. That double standard really pisses me off. They are not “sluts” they are people who know how to enjoy life. They know they have one life to live, and they realize how fun sex is. And so they do alot of it.

“If you wish to make Pythocles wealthy, don’t give him more money; rather, reduce his desires.”

Yea, assuming I dont know what im missing, I will be as happy as I can be. BUT, a person living in your proposed circumstance, compared to a person living in mine, has a FAR lower potential for overall pleasure in life. So bassicly, you are proposing lowering our potential for pleasure in life… You are bassicly, according to my beliefs, destroying the meaning of life. Not completely, but you are limiting our ability to obtain it.

Pythocles may be wealthy if you reduce his desires, but RELATIVELY wealthy. Relative to his desires. But in terms of overall pleasure, hes just lost the potential for a whole lot of it.

“would you be addicted to those things? would you appreciate a girl for her essential qualities instead of her sexy ass?”

What essential qualities? I will apreciate which ever qualities I am interested in at the time. While im under 30, ide like to have as much fun as possible. I dont have an interest in these “essential qualities” you speak of. I may find a girl that I end up really liking, in terms of personality. But I will cross that bridge when I come to it. The aesthetic pleasure from their buety does in no way conflict with anything else. So there are no “essential qualities.” Whats essential is what I want at the time.

And you really think such an illusion could last? What if I stumble upon a playboy somewhere. What if I walk in on a couple having sex, and the girl is super hot. Right then and there, ide get a taste, and realise how miserable I was. The only way such a situation can laste is if you do hardcore social programing on people in their early stages. Like they do in alot of arab countries. And that goes against everything ive been working for. No Future Man. Theres no problem here. Get those traditional standards out of your head. They dont do anything for you.

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FM,

You really ought to print out a copy of this thread for future reference. My guess is in five years time you’ll be embarrassed by what you’ve written. Take a little more time to look at the history of how women have been treated in those cultures where the burka is required. The burka is a symbol of more than covering the body. It carries many other meanings as well - meanings that you have missed or have chosen to ignore.

For you to define not-burka as sluttiness says volumes about your view of women. You might want to withhold judgement for a few more years…

JT

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knowing future man’s style he’s using OVER the top sarcasm to make a point against burkas.

It’s like watching family guy (lately) it uses so painfully obvious sarcasm that the show just isn’t funny anymore. At least I can still (somewhat) count on the simpsons for my societal humor.

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girls in america are obsessed with looking pretty. they do many things that i assume arent very fun in order to satisfy this superfluous need that they have.

what if every man walked around with with a huge structure of toothpicks glued together on top of his head. it takes hours to put this thing together and it usually breaks once a day so you have to make it every single day.

its like antlers, its a sign of virility and the ladies love to see them. and when you look at other men, some of your confidence stems from the idea that your antlers are better than his.

when you make yours really well, you feel really good. youve accomplished something great that you wouldnt be able to accomplish without the cultural idea of antlers. you feel extra confident the whole day. and its really a good feeling. but it took a lot of essentially fruitless work, and sometimes it doesnt feel so good when you dont do such a good job or when you dont have enough time to.

wouldnt it be better if there was no concept of toothpick antlers? and dont say that its impossible for a culture to become obsessed with something as unnatural as toothpick antlers. cultures become obsessed with all kinds of crap like small feet and stretched out lips, earlobes and necks. these things are painful, they make people proud of themselves, and they pragmatically accomplish nothing in the real world.

im not joking. nobody addressed the real points of the first post. islamic girls have said that they appreciate the logic behind the burka because they dont have to worry about being pretty. why are they wrong? wouldnt it be better if nobody expected girls to fake their way into looking pretty? how do the toothpick antlers differ from make-up and hair modification?

russiantank, its no double standard. im not a slut and man whores are just as bad. the problem is that most of the average people ive encountered focus on physical appearance and sex, and not an actual personal connection. sex is supposed to be about love, not just the physical desire for sex. the reason why im focusing on girls is because theyve changed recently along with the mtv. and dont pretend its not directly mtvs fault. the way that they have changed includes wasting a ton of time on their physical appearance, when make up is about as neccesary as toothpick antlers.

well ill take that last sentence back, we have a genetically induced preference for those things, and satisfying them feels dopamine good. thats why the burka is good, we dont have to worry about satisfying them, and we are unable to fail in satisfying them. there are many cases where i would trade the consistent average in exchange for the erratic extremes, especially when the positive extremes require otherwise fruitless work.

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it’s alot like capitalism the free market will decide whether or not it continues to like make-up. If guys stopped hitting on, going out with “made-up” girls, then girls would stop making themselves up. Same goes for man-whores.

but I also think you are WAY over generalizing the situation. There’s a balance and moderation. While I agree Janet and Britney are way over the top and way over sexed, burka is way too low key and way under sexed.

It suppresses sexuality and it’s puritanical suppression of sexuality that gave us the sexual revolution that gave us the britney the justin timberlakes and the janet jacksons. I believe it’s on the rebound and we’ll probably see more suppression of sexuality in favor of violence in the coming years.

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“the problem is that most of the average people ive encountered focus on physical appearance and sex, and not an actual personal connection.”

Thats not a problem. Thats a revolutionary upgrade to morality.

“sex is supposed to be about love, not just the physical desire for sex.”

Cmon future man, you should know better than to make such traditional claims. Who the hell says what sex is supposed to be about? And actually, from a scientific perspective, sex is just about the pleasure, and the side-effect of baby’s. Sex is designed to feel good so it gets you to have babies. To our conciounce, its all about the pleasure. But thats not the point anyways. Sex is whatever you want it to be. Personal connection, physical desire, you are not in any place to judge, neither am I. Let it be…

Anyways, burkas hide the truth so to say. In America, girls might feel bad about looking worse than another girl. In an islamic country, its only hidden. They are not all the same. So if in an islamic country, all of a sudden a hot women rips off her burka and shows off her hotness, all the uglier women are still going to feel bad about themselves. Some standards are indeed superfluous. But there are genetic standards none-the-less that no one can avoid. Some female forms just get my dick harder than others. Thats that… And the same applies backwords. I am no male model… I wish I could be, but I deal with it. I got to the gym and lift. Ive gotten pretty big. You know why I like it? ONLY because the girls like it more, and because big muscles get respect. No doubt about it. Other guys look up to you after theyve seen how much you can bench. I dont even consider the health benefits and strength benefits. Its all about the image. But the thing is, other than really mentally disturbed people, getting your body image “popular” actually almost always is getting to a healthyer body state. “Looking better” is the most common motivation for obese or heavily overweight people to get into better shape. Hell, it was mine. Still is mine, gota admit. Especially in super fat America, the emphasis on image is really GOOD. Im sure you know how fat we are getting. Thats by far worse than any minor psychological discomferts or the few cases of eating disorders. The point is, the image we always advertise is generally a healthier image than the one we have. Men are muscular and ripped. Healthy. Women are… not fat… Healthy. Honestly the crap that super models are too skinny… I think 5 out of millions of people in America think Kate Moss, that super skinny model is hot. People now a days like curves, they like defenition. I love the six pack on a girl. Not TOO defined, but enough that its visible. And that takes muscle. That takes going to the gym, that takes getting healthy. Skin and bones is not sexy, and its not healthy. So basicly, the image emphasis we have is physically beneficial if anything.

Psychologicly? Theres no other way… Its nature. If women here started wearing burkas, but then a hot girl walked around without it, she would get all the guys. And any girl that will like sex will do that. Unless ofcourse we hang her for being “sexual” as might be a good strategy to discourage the kind of behavior you want to eliminate, but I dont think you want that… Thats how the girls show off FM, they want sex, so they go out and advertise. Social trends may play a role, but even if you eliminate them all, nature will still dictate this behavior. And you think we have it bad? What about all those animals that fight to the death for a mate? Chill Future Man, relax and enjoy the show that is life. This is not a big problem. Let the girls figure this one out on their own. Though I dont think theres anything to figure out… Theres no changing this part of us. I actually think the only problem that exists is the conservatives and their traditional views. I say, legalize prostitution, dont fine Howard Stern… What else do those conservatives do? Well, fuck it all, let us be free and enjoy ourselves the way we want. And im no libertarian, but too much sex is never a bad thing. The chemical reactions that occur in the presence of the opposite sex are the greatest gift nature gave us. What we need is more Sex, more sexy females, and… more sex with sexy females.

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If women realized that men cannot cope with the presence of a female form without making statements like “Some female forms just get my dick hard” that would probaly run to get a burka. Women do not go around thinking …Gee whiz, can i give him an erection if I walk into the room.

As for haninging her for being sexual, that is a projection of masculine inability to restrain sexuality and hate of upon women. A women’s fatty deposits are regarded as fat by women, nothing more and nothing less. It’s men who make a big deal about those deposits and not women. It is because men cannot restrain themselves that some women are forced to wear burkas.

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I generally agree with that, but you must admit that women do enjoy the benefits of their sexuality, and that’s why they choose to get plastic surgery. I say choose because they can and do think to do otherwise.

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Hey there now, it seems like you are being sexist. Both men and women get plastic surgery. Typically, it is because they are self conscious about their appearance, and it has little to to with thier sexuality.

I do realize that there are women, such as Pamela Anderson, who magnify their sexuality. However, I do not think she is any different that men who feel the need to magnify thier sexuality with a little blue pill called viagra.

Burkas are social constraints on self expression and not constraints on sexual expression. A woman can still be very sexual beneath her burka. Sexuality is not about clothes or beauty, just ask any sexual male dynamo. He does not have to preen for hours before a mirror or say I have a huge male organ. Everyone around him will know he’s got a big kcid.

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Who is to say he has a double standard? So called sexually liberated “women” are annoying when they try to deny that they are sluts.

They are sluts, just as “men” who have sex with random people are. I have no double standard.

With that said, it is their decision to do as they please. If they believe that sex is done for nothing more than physical pleasure than so be it, that is their choice. But when I hear the term “sexually liberated” I just laugh. The correct term is nymphomaniac.

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Here we go… people crack me up. Especially some Liberals who are worse than hypocritical Born Agains.

Lets say, a man is Stallion. He is regarded with a socially positive point of view, “Cool.” Now lets say, a woman is a …I’ll use your term, “Slut.” This term has a negative social overtone. Herein lies the double standard.

So what is my complaint about Liberals. Well, many Liberals claim to be LiBeRaTeD, but they still judge women within the age old double social standard.

Ladies you might as well wear a burka because the system for judging women is not going to change. A women is never going to be allowed to flaunt her sexaulity like a man. No short skirts & No plunging necklines.

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I don’t think you read my post carefully. I don’t have a double standard. I view men who sleep around as sluts as well. Though, as I said, that is their perogative if they choose to do so. The same goes for women.

P.S. I’m not a liberal

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Actually, women can gain a lot more from being sexy that a man if you think about it. So, they do have an advantage there.

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Now, we have come to some philosophy. What is sexy or sex appeal that it should be covered with a burka. I do not think it is your hair or breasts. Men have hair and breast too, and these do not need to be covered, yet both men and women can have sex appeal.

I had a professor who has tremedous sex appeal, and wore old t-shirts and jeans. I had another professor who was quiet attractive and came dressed to the nines all semester. This young man had no sex appeal.

“Sexy” or sex appeal has more to do with what is below the surface appearance than above. I believe that some scantily dressed women (sexy?) are replusive (and unappealing), even to men.

Both males and females can attract their opposites sexually. How does a man exude his sexuality or sex appeal? Certainly, he has something to gain from doing so, and is able to attract the opposite sex.

Hot, sexy, beauty, and pretty does no emanate from our surface appearance. So what is “sexy” or sex appeal? And what is the burka really covering?

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A burka is very restricting, but I am a So. Cal. native who only drags out her swimsuit, ditto for my other half, when company comes over. Heck, I can’t stand gloves, hats, shoes and at the moment only have a comfy T short on.

If you do not like U.S. women don’t date or marry one. I resent your hasty generalization of female students as sluts. I have many female college students and only two bother with make-up. BTW: when I dress for work it takes me less than 10 minutes.

As them if it is their hair or make-up, I bet it is their hair. Once a week it takes me 20 minutes to flat iron my mop. Also, I know men who have their hair colored, nails done, etc.

Hum, what’s the matter FM, can’t get a date? :unamused:

Trust me, many college females cannot afford the designer clothes, expensive shoes and make-up. Many shop at Big Lots for their make-up.

Sounds like you haven’t met any.

It is a tool of male control FM.

It is a tool to restrict women, much like Chinese female foot binding.

Because he is jealously guarding his possession.

It only sucks to be female because we earn 76 cents on the male dollar, but we are gaining ground.

Many men spend a fortune on designer clothes for work. John Kerry’s suits are in the thousands of dollars. My son spends bucks at Norstrams for his profession wardrobe. Me, I shop at Ross.

What is normal FM?

What’s the matter, not popular with the hot girls FM? :wink: