Can a Black Man be Chinese?

An essay from the ever interesting Useless Tree blog:

While the topic is somewhat specialized, I do think it begs a broader question, brought up by one of the commentators: Does economic development necessitate multiculturalization?

Here is that comment:

I think this objection is valid. After all, the US repopulated itself with immigrants, so multiculturalism is an inescapable element of the American identity. Likewise, Europe’s economic rise was heavily driven by colonialism, so multiculturalism is also a necessary element there. So multiculturalism was part-and-parcel with the economic development of those examples. But is multiculturalism a necessary part of economic development or merely a by-product of the economic development of the US and Europe?

In a broader sense yes. Yet, each country must first develop a need to expand, if it is forced then it fails.

What will happen when other races immigrate?

They’ll evolve past slant eyed short stops.

Something like a race of Kristin Kreuks.


(She’s also part Jamaican)

My cousin looks like that, Echo - she is stunning, but I haven’t seen her in years/the family lost contact with her. :confused:

Progression is fuelled by need, Xun - I see it in action in society all the time: succumbing to sociotel pressures, I think it’s called…

I think multiculturism is possible in Asian countries, but it would be extremely slow in coming. There is an unspoken “class” social underpinning in both Japanese and Chinese culture. The stability of traditional world views says a black chinese person is going to wait a looooong time for social equality…

I don’t necessarily see societal pressure driving towards multiculturalism though. Tent offers Japan as a model, but I think it is a poor one for China. After all, Japan has been ethnically homogeneous, with the notable exception of the Ainu, who suffered a similar fate to the Native Americans. China, on the other hand, has always been a plurality of ethnic groups within its boarders. But the interaction between those groups and the Han has been anything but ‘multicultural’ as the word is commonly understood . . .

No, a Black can not be a Chinaman, not right off. He is first of all too tall; his language is all wrong, his fashion says “Black-man,” and he just doesn’t do Chinese sorts of things, his whole manner is wrong.

But ten years later, we see the same Black, squatting on some street, wearing local style slippers, pants, and shirt. He is engaged in a conversation with a Chinese woman while eating a bowl of noodles. There is something foreign about this man, but not even when he stands up is it possible to say what it is…

As for multiculturalism; there can not be any development (in the sense of Westernization) without it. Development is not only physical, the physical part is the least important; mental development is more important. Mental development can happen in different ways; it can be by direct import of foreign experts, or educating the locals abroad; or it can be indirect, via Neo-Colonial development, where engineres may be imported in the beginning, but in a decade there is a local staff managing most of the factory, or an educated immigrant class could be moved in --or it could be a pre-existing class; in any case, a country will not develop if it does not have mind-resources. This is why some countries have been totally destroyed by war, but because an educated class of bureaucrats, doctors, economists, lawyers, enginers and so on already exist, the rebuild is relatively quick, in other countries with few mental resources it never happens. One way or another a developing country has necessarily absorbed developed culture, mental tools and machines. A country can not develop, (in the sense of Westernization) without Westernizing. When a country has Westernized, we recognize this, they can sit at the White table with us, eat a White dinner, and so on.

In order for what you are asserting to be true, China would need to be suffering from a dearth of educated talent. That isn’t true, so I don’t see how what you are saying follows. Furthermore, there are numerous historical examples of countries that underwent partial modernization, in a sonderweg-sorta way and were very successful.

if what you mean is that can blacks live in china, then the answer is a definate yes. But if you mean can blacks develop slant eyes by themselves, then the answer is no.

Reading a post before replying to it is considered a virtue. Babbling is not.

…ahhhhhhhhh, those poor black people: always needing to beg for a place in other’s societies :unamused: Only a fool would go to a place where they are made to have to struggle for their own human rights and happiness - fuck all those ethnicities that do that to other ethnicities!

Sam Crane offers an interesting reply based off the comments at his blog:

The glorious Yan Xishan offers an interesting take on the issue, written from his supercomputer in Shanxi that allows him to access the future:

Thoughts?