IS it possible to end desire?
Once we are satisfy aren’t we longing for more expection,? Is not this desire endless?
So how can one be totally free? Death, death in the state of mind, or total satisfaction? Without yearning to be free, and without yearning to desire anymore?
That’s what makes us human. Whether it be knowledge, money, status, fame, etc. we always want more. You might call this an addiction, and it some cases it’s a healthy one (ie knowledge). We are never satisified but I see that as a good thing. It’s what keeps humanity going and striving for more. It’s what pushes our civilization higher and higher.
By accepting that fact; we will never be satisfied. By asking questions, searching for answers, and attaining knowledge. Knowing as much as you possibly can. Pushing your brain and your mental capacity to its very limits. Never stop questioning!
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I disagree. Desires can end. When thought and time has ended.
We know desire is part of human. But desire is also conditions the human, making us slave to it. So should one desire to kill someone, and meet that satisfaction. No. Only by ending desires, one can be totally free.
IF you say you can’t end desire there you will always remain in bondage.
To me, okay, to me, Desire can end. By either total freedom or total satisfaction.
DEsire and response are two different things. One may feel hungry and desire to eat, but that is not the case, he is responding to his body. When one is not hungry and see pizza, that is desiring.
I know for sure, you will disagree, and make an agrument, because that is your condition, and your bondage to desire. Desire of pride, as everyone else, only if they can ’ see’ . As watcher would say.
Knowledge can damage ones desire to see the bright side of life, the more I learn about human history the more depressed I become and the more helpless I feel as I’ll watch it repeat itself over and over.
So how would you address the desire for knowledge? How would one be totally free from that desire? As humans, we’ll never be satisified with our present knowledge.
Sure you can. Stop depending on knowledge. Mainly in living in human relationships, but since we are doomed to be condition to end desire is a great difficult task. Once we eat a cake, its hard not to have another piece.
dan######,
You’ve brought this same issue up before.
Get a grip on it brother. There is no such thing as living in a void, bereft of desire. The very best that can be attained is living so as to optimally minimize desire.
The extent that you are going to, is to desire desirelessness, which in the end, is desiring just the same.
for the first time, I shall say this
YOu are wrong MAs.
Why because to desire desireless, is still a desire. I know this.
However, you are wrong because when you end thought, you end desire.
Now can you get rid of your prejudice mind against me?
Perhaps, no, because you take too much pride, and want to agrue against me. Why, because you are conditioned, like everyone else. You do not see your problem. like WAtcher does.
tourettesguy.com/videos/birdinthehouse/
First of all: There’s a bird in the house! ^
Secondly:
Anything is possible.
Desirelessness is just as possible as desirefulness.
The will to overcome death, manifests in many forms, for simials. The sort-of-Buddhistic approach, is to get as close as you can to being “dead”, through nutralities and emptiness, and being “without mind”, and all these things. Not really death, BUT, more like you were when you were first born, more empty and “pure”, as they could call it.
One problem, though, is that they think their soul is seporate from, and beyond their body. They think they can save their soul by doing special things to their body, etc.
I’d say the soul is created by the body, and both parts are essentially, the same, just like your hand and your foot are the same thing. Each organ, though different, is meant to work for the whole system. Death only weakens or destroys the soul, and as it lifts out, it gains more mobility.
dan######,
First off, why are you making this personal? Apparently, we disagree, nothing more.
As far as prejudice, that is just an untenable position based on ad hom. I have nothing against “you”, because there is no definitive of whether “you” is anything more than digital blip on a monitor. Hard to be prejudiced against an unknown.
There simply appears to be an error in the OP. You cannot end thought unless you end self. As long as self is existent, thought remains, and desire is unstoppable. Ergo, attempting to elicit states of desirelessness, are self-defeating.
Obviously, you disagree. Discourse, summarily ended.
DAn~ do you know why my threads are continue to be removed?
Truth? Separation of good from evil ?
Mas
AS I said before, when there is thought there is desire, when you can end thought then there will be no desire. IF you do not see this as a problem, then you do not 'see; the conflict.
Satisfaction will never relate itself to desire explicitly as desire never guarantees satisfaction fragmented or complete. Satisfaction has no control over desire just as desire cannot contol the former.
Secondly, it would be a gross misconception if I was to validate the gap between desire and satisfaction and not stress on the relations of cause and the effect on each other.
Absurdities always crop up; desire of immortality, trancendence… we cannot resolve any solution to this as this is what that has been immortalized.
Material desires persistently invoke the urge to suceed but satisfaction has no role here hence an early inclusion of satisfaction into mainstream desire will suffice for a better insight into the whole idea…
Desire: Need focused upon an object. The conscious mind becoming alert to its own specific needs and seeking to satisfy them, as a means to completion or a method of self-correction as attrition slowly results in decay.
No desire - no need.
No need – no suffering, no pain
No suffering, no pain – no action, no change, no thought.
No action, no change, no thought - no movement, no flux.
No movement, no flux - no time, no space, no potential.
No time, no space, no potential – no matter, no construction/destruction.
No matter, no construction/destruction - no possibility for life, no consciousness, no mind, no choice.
The end – utopia, paradise.
Utopia, paradise – Nihilism.
As long as mankind exsists they will desire the impossible, humanity as a whole has not changed since it’s dawning, and probably never will, as long as human nature remains we will still be as we are now.
An individual can free himself from desire and greed, from pain and violence, and from the other quams of human nature, but humanity as a whole cannot, simply because there will still be those who choose not to.
Regardless of our desires or our best intentions this is how it is, and how it should be, when a person chooses to live in such a way some who see it will follow in that approch, and some will not, that is simply how we are.
Ok Im going into this blindly here.
I believe we aren’t perfect, we know this, and so we are never satisfied. Therefore no desire can ever become an end to this desire for desire. Desire would end when the desire for it ends, and it will only end I believe when we don’t desire anything more, when there is nothing left, when we are perfect. And when I say this you may disagree that we may very well desire to be contradicting or illogical, this will not work however because if one is perfect, they don’t need anything, no desire is necessary. So I think you can look at desire as a flaw, the idea is a flaw, it’s wanting what you can’t have.
one of the best quotes regarding subjects as this: “When I first came here (Zen monastery) mountains were just mountains, then mountains became much more than mountains, but as I left mountains were once again mountains.”
For me this means that many people seek things then lose sight again but when they let go of “desire” they will see things much clearer. And it is much like the sand that when held too tight or too loose slips from us.