This is a topic that comes up alot between me and my girlfriend. She is a christian and thinks people are taught to be gay by their surrounding and upbringing.
what do you think?
I think it’s karmic just as being born hetrosexual, male or female is, but I’ll be burned at the stake for saying so.
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I see what you mean but why don’t we see gay animals. if being gay is a natural thing that just happens, why does it not happen to animals?
it does, studies have shown homosexuality and bisexuality in animals. For example, certain marine mammals have blowhole sex, filthy buggers. Just Google it.
wow. im shocked
Currently there is no proof that anyone is born gay. However, there are lots of examples of people being greatly changed psychologically by intense events. There are also examples of very subtle forces, such as cultural ideas that we may not be aware of totally affecting behavior. A chinese body and an Irish-American body are not that different, but when you check the content of the mind you will see something different.
Homosexual animals:
Most animals go into a mating phase triggered by chemicals in their body. They aren’t generally interested in sex in the off season. So, animals have littl or no motive behind their sexual activity. However, they can and do get enflamed or engorged genitals that I assume are quite tender. When touched I assume that the animal is very aware of what just happend. This may trigger mating behavior in them and so they might attempt to mate with a same sex partner, because their “mechanism” has been triggered. Animals do not know what “girls” and “boys” are. It’s all about smells and feels. So, any homosexual contact is a mistake.
Meanwhile, reporting that animals have relationships and whatnot is a projection of our human motives onto animals, and that’s always a bad yet romantic move.
The problem is that often when it is suggested that people are born gay it is because a parent is gay, but it this instance it could be just as easily said that it is upbringing that has caused.
Jon F
There’s no proof that sexuality (homo, hetero, animo or otherwise) is innate…
I didn’t say it was natural. I said it was karmic i.e. there is a cause. Now whether that cause lies in the past or in the present is unknowable except to the individual who is dealing with their particular situation.
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It’s been proven that males do not have brains like females until they start taking testosterone blockers and then estrogen pills.
Yet the claim goes that homosexuals have a tendency to act like the opposite sex because of mutated genes. Or the psychological issue of religion being forced on them, so when Stephan wants to get a man, he subconsciously mimics Stacy cause she gets all the boys.
Maybe their is a collective conscious for people with a certain brain type allowing them to act like they do. Or maybe theirs just one section of the brain that receives pheromones yet isn’t changes by testosterone or estrogen.
What ever it is,… the human body isn’t even responsible for love. For love comes from the soul. How can I say such a thing??? For when you feel love, it comes from outside your body, not from with-in like a hormone.
what makes humans different to animals??? we have a spacific gene that is unique to the human spacies. And animals don’t have a soul,… for I have felt the warmth of love from a human, but have yet to feel it from an animal.
Could we please come up with a definition of ‘homosexual’ for these purposes?
The fact that you have yet to feel says it all. You have yet to feel.
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My opinion is somewhat different,
i reckin we are animals, except we make rational abilitiy, to feel love for us is yet another interpretation formed of a evolutionary feature to reproduce which is common to all animals, we have sex to reproduce at least fundamentally based on the biological and physcial compatiblaity for that female to produce an offspring. Im all for the romantic stuff, but its funny how physchological research shows that woman cheat on their husband when the man is a better genetic and physcial build which will better provide fo rher and offsprings wellbeing. She may be unawware of this at that impulsive decision to cheat, but it affected her decision. I think us humans think too highly of ourselves, we are irration in nature, rational in mind… As for if people are born gay, i think people become gay when they have the freedom and necessity to do so, if they use that freedom might be genetic…we have more freedom these days…
sorry if im being a bit rhetorical, just want to provoke argument
peace
enlighten,
Humans are much different than most animals although we still are animals. It is in fact the “romantic stuff” that provides the most important factor. Romantic stuff is an expression of our ability to be rational and our extremely unique and important ability to have fantasy. Fantasy fuels human relationships in a large variety of ways. Fantasy can make one believe that they are “like” a woman for instance. Fantasy can make you think that your loved one is the best person ever. Regular animals don’t experience that as far as I can tell.
Also, about mating choice with women, I have noticed that there are many old short, or young and wimpy, men out there with very healthy looking high-end girls. How does one account for that? It is accounted for by money. If these men are rich they will attract good-looking girls. Money is an invention and requires a mind to think about what it means, thus the mind is in charge of the attraction.
I won’t burn you at the stake but I do wonder what’s the deal with the whole karma thing. Something like “what goes around comes around” roughly, right? What would be examples of karma at work? What good is it to believe in karma?
I’d say you’re not born gay just as you’re not born bisexual, or born to prefer blondes, or people of a different cultural background or skin color. These are developed features of one’s personality the same as any other preference.
You start to figure out - and develop - what turns you on at a fairly young age: some of this is going to be socially and culturally driven; some of it is going to be predetermined, in the instinctual sense; and some of it is going to be self-programmed.
I’ve never heard of any evolutionary or biological reason to place homosexuality in the second catagory, though I still leave room for this possibility.
Examples of karma at work are all around us. If you plant a peach seed, inevitably under the right conditions, sunlight, water, nutritious soil, you will get a peach tree. That’s how it works. It really is a very simple ‘concept’ to grasp. What makes it difficult to understand is when the ‘conditions’ are seemingly incomprehensible. In order for me to be born a woman I need the right ‘conditions’. The right mother, the right father, the right country, the right cause.
What good is it to believe in anything? The very word belief suggests a lacking in inherent understanding. Karma is not a belief but rather an observation.
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At the very least, when a person is born they don't have any sexual desires, so to say that they are 'born gay' is just obviously false, unless we define gay in some sense that doens't have anything to do with sexual desire. Do the people who become gay, become gay because of something in their genetics? Oh, that's probably a part of it for some of them. Why not?
Very well put, and i think you are right. I think i was trying to highlight the animalistic nature of humans which i believe is not recognised enough.
Hmm. I believe that society has the capacity to condition people to relate money with all sorts of thing, more strongly with power and safety which i suppose is what is required in the wild to nurture young, as well as biological traits, but these too i believe can be overlooked in the view of obtainable safety and security, agency, stature. I just can shake the view that we are all after survival…the mind is in charge of the attraction to the extent to which can be aware of it? could this be true? 