Maybe Zelensky should not have said things like no one did anything for Ukraine in all that time. It was Trumps Javelin missiles that prevented the Russians from taking Kiev and Zelensky has become a billionaire through western funding for this war, which he could have ended in '22. Trump is a bully and Vance, so it appears, is too but I don’t know why Zelensky would act like this except that he is used to getting everything he asks for.
The war was provoked by this idea of expanding Nato to encompass the city the Russians consider the cradle of their culture. It was obviously provoked deliberately.
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So Nato knew this expansion threat would mean war, lead to the death of a lot of Russians, which was probably the goal. Ukrainians were offered up to this end. And no doubt Nato celebrates their death as well, as they are ethnically related to Russians.
I was a bit frightened to learn of these Wuhan styled gain of function biolabs all over Ukraine. So much Nato controlled evil went on there. It is I think more evil than the ordinary citizen can fathom, and that has perhaps been part of the strategy, like how it worked for Hitler. Nato leadership originally included a bunch of nazis and they still give off the same vibes.
Trump has made a lot of people very angry with this meeting, though, that is clear. At first I was one of them until I realized that Z was actually being irrational.
As for the popular idea that Trump is a Russian agent, he was the one to give the missiles that stopped Russia’s advance on Kiev. Kyiv, whatever. So he’s clearly not working for the Russians. If it could all be so simple.
Zelenski is a dictator, having banned 11 political parties, jailed their members, banned church leaders, media, etc - his voice is the only one that is allowed. Trump on the other hand is merely doing things other people don’t like. He is not jailing anyone for their opinions like Ukraine, Germany and England (and Russia) are.
What is vague? He outright banned all the opposition, political, religious and the media. He became a billionaire in the process.
Or do you mean the Nato planned slaughter of Russians and Ukrainians? But that is all on record. Nato promised Russia they weren’t going to expand eastward at one point but they did, nation after nation, and Russia only reacted when it came to Ukraine and Russian speaking citizens were beginning to get slaughtered there. That is when they organized the referendum in Crimea.
I knew there had to be a reason why wokies all love him. It’s not as if Putin is exactly ‘democratic’ either. I say just leave both of them to it. American ‘help’ is a death sentence for any country anyway.
And they tend to forget their campaign promises as soon as they get in office. Here in the Netherlands the people voted in an anti woke anti EU candidate who has been living in a bunker for twenty years because he criticizes islam. Part of his program always was to get us out of the climate agreement, but he just voted to stay in it. I dont know what kind of pressure he is under, maybe they’ll drop his security if he votes the wrong way.
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In the first half of the discussion Trump continually tells Zelensky that he wants the war to end and no more lives lost, and Zelensky just came up with excuses, at no time agreed to a ceasefire, kept calling Putin derogatory names, and called Vance a “f’ing b*tch” under his breath…
It’s not surprising that the Democrats chose to share only the last 7 minutes of the talk, and not the prior 33 minutes that showed the real Zelensky and his shitty attitude.
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The good news is, that Zelensky has said that he is ready to sign the raw minerals deal with America… now who here cannot want that: peace, no more lives lost…?
Ending wars with niceties, probably wouldn’t have worked.
It’s true I found it hard to hear what Zelensky was saying when Vance and Trump were berating him and talking over him instead of listening to his POV cuz he lacked cards. And I haven’t seen the first 33 minutes of the meeting. Please share the video you have seen.
I don’t see any ‘shitty attitude’ from Zelensky. His English is awful though. He should have had a translator. There is no way he called Vance a ‘f’ing bitch’. You need to wear your sceptic’s hat more often. Plus, what exactly is Ukraine getting from this ‘deal’ except environmental damage on an enormous scale? How is the US getting involved in the conflict a good thing? How is it going to do anything except extend the conflict? It’s Putin and Zelensky who need to be ‘making a deal’. Trump doesn’t have any power over Putin.
Putin woud obliterate European forces, but he might have doubts about attacking Americans. Americans were already involved in the conflict, they prevented Russia from taking Kyiv. (Trump did with his missiles) But they should have never provoked the war with this Nato expansion in the first place, it is going to be very hard to stop it now.
Carleas said Russia broke up Nato but it simply overextended into territories that aren’t its place. Ukraine suffers because of Britains and its allies long held obsession with the destruction of Russia. Russia is an autocratic state violently preventing Nato and related organizations to take hold of states on its borders, especially the ones that used to be part of it. It is completely irrational to see this as anything but natural. The US naturally objected to Russian missiles in Cuba as well.
Zelensky was a good politician when the US was committed to support him at whatever the cost, he was a star, the modern Churchill. With Trump in office you see his limited political skills, as opposed to Macron, who managed to put Trump in his place without raising his anger. EU leaders have all told Z now that he needs to go back to Trump and ask forgiveness, as they cant make peace or war by themselves.
With which part do you disagree? What I said is the same as what European leaders have said. We’ve practically abolished our militaries here. And what is left isn’t ready to fight this kind of war. This is why they all called on Zelensky to make nice with Trump.
Is anyone? I’m sure it’s military ‘experts’ who f’kd up the ME and landed us in this mess. Military ‘experts’ have given us every war under the Sun. Arseholes the lot of them. Warmongering wankstains.
We never had much of a land force here, tried to defend against the nazi invasion on bicycles… but used to have a decent navy, we built a lot of ships here, good jobs, respect around the world - for some reason that was largely canceled.
England just closed its last steel mill. Germany shut down their nuclear plants.
