no because stealing is considered a radical means to achieving an end. it takes courage to dick over a king even if hes a bad ruler but its still radical. a revolution is a radical action. killing is radical. its a extreme method of achieving a goal. i dont place stereotypes on them and assume theyre doing it for stupid reasons (which in this case they are) but theyre acting radically.
and by respect you mean not do it becaused you be imprisoned/whatever the hell theyd want to do. you disagree but still “respect” things yes yes we all know thats how it works. but there are different types of respect. the type where you agree with the person and the type where you dont. the latter is a tool for surviving and has absolutely nothing to do with niceness or admiration or whatever good quality you attribute to respect. if it did you would sound hypocritical.
i think thats just it though. they arent supposed to be offensive. theyre cartoons. red necks in the southern u.s. dont get offended by yosemite sam or elmer fudd because theyre caricatures. theyre exagerations of the truth. thats what a caricature is thats why theyre not offensive. people pay for caricatures of themselves. its a joke. and its even more of a joke now that they are living up to the caricatured representation.
i always thought it was kinda messed up that they had to be sensored.
cba1067950,
Wow, you routinely do not understand analogies, please have this looked into.
Robin Hood is hands down considered a hero in western culture. Few people would have the daring and courage to do what the character did and that’s why he’s special. He was extra witty, extra skilled, and extra radical is his daring. He had the will of the people behind him because of all these qualities.
However, the “radical muslims†are portrayed as a group of people that are just out for themselves and do not have the will of the people behind them. However, Osama dolls have been huge sellers in mid-east and India for several years now. So, I contend that he and his ilk are not unlike Robin Hood to those people.
It’s the entire ETHNOCENTRIC WORLD VIEW - ‘our culture is better than yours’…we are all guilty of this outlook at times…especially Adlerian…
cba,
and by respect you mean not do it becaused you be imprisoned/whatever the hell theyd want to do. you disagree but still “respect” things yes yes we all know thats how it works. but there are different types of respect. the type where you agree with the person and the type where you dont. the latter is a tool for surviving and has absolutely nothing to do with niceness or admiration or whatever good quality you attribute to respect. if it did you would sound hypocritical.
Whatcha getting at here?
i think thats just it though. they arent supposed to be *offensive. theyre cartoons. red necks in the southern u.s. dont get offended by yosemite sam or elmer fudd because theyre caricatures. theyre exagerations of the truth. thats what a caricature is thats why theyre not offensive. people pay for caricatures of themselves. its a joke. and its even more of a joke now that they are living up to the caricatured representation.
Political cartoons are usually offensive…did you mean to say *inoffensive?
i always thought it was kinda messed up that they had to be censored.
If the Chinese start threatening violence against the rest of the world because of what’s in the news, then I’ll worry about their choices. I can’t even count the number of Chinese people I know/have known who live in Canada/the US. Never heard a negative comment about western ideals or freedom of speech from any one of them.
You can see whatever you want in China they make most of the pirated movies…and Bejing runs 24/7.
Shy
Yes, I support an ethnocentric view in times of conflict, and about the organization of society, but not on the subject of meatballs.
Most of you are ethnocentric, especially colinsign.
Of course I view things from my particular culture and life…but I do not hold that our culture is necessarily - superior.
Human Culture in all its myraid forms offers hope, action and is testament to human ingeunity to life, structure and sustain, by and large.
But sure my claims to toleration, civilty are hallmarks of a fragment of our culture. But I am not talking abut culture as a whole - but as rather something which is immense from which we draw certain, as we see it, preferable, qualities…but not exclusively…
A culture is comprised of cultures…
I don’t believe you.
In regard to oppression or something like genital mutalation I bet you stick with your cultural values.
what the fuck. i didnt say he was a villian. i said he was a radical.
just that even if you respect their beliefs it doesnt mean anything really.
i disagree. i view political cartoons as a cartoon. not so much a political statement. i dont get offended by a 10 minute sketch. its not serious art. its not supposed to be serious art. its like a comedy but on paper. its not supposed to be taken the same way a drama is if they were movies.
i dont know what that supposed to mean. i just thoguht it was messed up that their government censored everything on the internet. im not sure what your point was in the first place.
As I stated- Of course I view things from my particular culture and life…but I do not hold that our culture is necessarily - superior.
I’ve been watching this exchange unfold and what I’d like to know is from where we get the notion of singular cultural values. The fact that some people in this country, within the same culture as Colin and myself (I know that technically he’s Scottish and I’m English but we’re only a couple of hundred miles from each other, if that) practise genital mutilation demonstrates that there isn’t even a cultural consensus on such an emotive issue.
Of course Colin is in part an instrument of the world most immediately surrounding him but that world doesn’t contain any overriding messages, values, law tables or whatever to which he conforms (sorry to speak in the third person, I know both of you so I don’t like this tone). Of course one learns language and other behavioural norms from the other people around one but one doesn’t necessarily inherit/absorb the values (the principles) that maintain such behaviour.
cba1067950,
Political cartoons are frequently meant to be offensive.
someoneisatthedoor,
There does seem to be a moral and ethical tradition in the west that has to have its origin in ancient times. Yes, the Christian value system can be credited, however, the people had to be ready to accept those ideas when they were pagans. So, I assume that there has been an essense of correct behavior that stretches way back.
I know that all Vikings didn’t believe in kings and were prone toward equal societies and look at the way the Netherlands turned out. So, maybe the ancient ideas keep asserting themselves.
I think that our world is surrounded with messages and symbols that speak to our values.
By the way, this goes for all cultures. Christianity didn’t stick in the mid-east because it clashed with their traditional value system. It’s not like belief systems are voted on, but rather it’s the case that they get slowly rejected or ignored.
I just recieved this in an email and thought I would share it with you all. I got to say, I couldnt help but laugh when I saw it.
Enjoy!
Will cartoons set off WWIII?!
Stay tuned!
Where the fuck has all this anti-islamic and ani-semitism come from? I mean it seems to me as if people are just inventing it. I havnt met any anti-semitic or anti-islamic people. And I dont feel that there is a general dislike for them in Britain. I read in the papers that anti-semetism in Britain is the worst its ever been. 
I have no idea why or how that is possible.
As I am sure W.C. knows - but for the benefit of anyone who might not realise - this is a doctored photo and not an actual reality.
Funny though. 
anti-semitic or anti-islamic people
I guess that it depends on how you define what those words mean.
If you talk to people that aren’t religious they’re going to have a certain view of those group that could be viewed as “anti” by some people and realistic by others.
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Meanwhile, it is fairly safe to say that ethnocentrisicm is common to all people in all cultures. Are the boundaries of any culture perfectly solid and impenetrable? Probably not. Does any culture have perfect solidarity? Again, probably not.
Now is it more useful to keep matters of faith outside of political institutions? That’s one way to describe the American government, as trying to enact this practice.
One question that looms ahead: can politics be seperate from beliefs about matters of ultimate importance? Can we have a global democratic society?