Should we pursue all possible knowledge or should knowledge be censored, edited, selected, maintained, and tampered with so as to allow only that which best serves life?
Or to put it differently: Is ignorance true bliss? And if it is, should we will such ignorance so as to better preserve our bliss?
Of course, one then must invite the question as to whether “bliss” is the final value, the final measure of value of a life.
We should continue striving for knowledge and stop at no means. Knowledge is the key to the universe. It’s human nature to ask questions and search for answers. Curiousity never killed the cat, it only made it smarter.
Bliss will never be acheived on earth. If you believe in afterlife, that’s where you’ll find it.
V:
“The highest object that human beings can set before themselves is not the pursuit of any such chimera as the annihilation of the unknown: it is simply the unwearied endeavor to remove its boundaries a little further from our little sphere of action.” ~ Huxley
Yes, ignorance can be bliss, just as the bliss an alcoholic finds when in their drunken stupor. The problem is not in the discussion of truth, the only problem is when people try to ‘block’ the discussion of truth. Prejudice, hatred and ill will can never yield true peace. These actions of destruction require ‘some thinking’ on the part of the person that seeks bliss through mind manacled ignorance and tries to destroy others with their actions of destruction due to an insobriety of personal opinions. There is nothing wrong with having personal opinions, but when we use these opinions to destroy others, then it does become very wrong.
The prejudiced, blind, small minded thinker cannot entertain freethought as they must block or censor the ideas and concepts before testing them for truth. Their ego will not allow it! Such people do not operate on truth, they operate on ego. The difference between an authority and an authoritarian is this. An authority speaks from a place of truth and such speaks as an authority. Whereas an authoritarian rules by fear and not by truth. For the truth stands on it own and the authoritarian stands on their EGO. We all have to use our ego when making value judgments, but the crossover come when the ego is used as a weapon.
As Horace told us, “Caelum non animum mutant qui trans mare currunt–You can run away as far as you like but you’ll never get away from yourself.” The person that lives by prejudice and hate carries it with them wherever they go and eventually it rots them from the inside out.
Let me give you a little background about myself and censorship.
I have been on about 210 forums over the last 9 years and have been banned from about 70% of them due to prejudice. The vast majority of these forums have been dedicated to personal improvement as well as spiritual studies.
Now with Christian forums it is 100% ban rate and Buddhist forums is 90% ban and atheist forums it is about 85% - 90% ban.
But this ignorance is universal ‘human’ in nature.
Psychologist William James once said, “A great many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices.”
Let me give you an example that has happened to me in the past.
In the bible it says “Test everything; hold fast to what is good; abstain from every form of evil,” (1 Thess. 5:21)
Taking from Christian, Buddhist and most other religions of the world I discuss such tools in my posts no matter their source. When I talked about this ‘concept of testing’ and related it to the Buddha’s tool of testing doctrine, but included this bible quote above, I was banned by the Buddhsits. Yet the Buddha also encouraged testing of his teachings before adopting those teachings.
At a Christian forum, when I brought up the Buddha encourages testing just as it was said in the bible, the Christian forums banned me.
Then at the atheist forums when I mention the Bible and the Buddha both offered the tools of testing to help determine truth, the atheist sites ban me.
Yet, all three groups like the idea of testing for truth, as long as this idea comes from them and not from anyone else…many people believe they are thinking when they are merely rearranging their prejudices. Alan Watts use to say we define ourselves by our enemies. We define ourselves by what we are not. He used the example of ‘Beatniks and Squares’ which were the in fad opposites back in his day. So of course it is natural for these groups to view themselves as polar opposites.
We should always be interested in finding truth and peace. If our way is not working then some other way may help. It is good to test and see the results and not get caught up in prejudice blocking the way. For with such tests, ‘the proof of the pudding will be in the eating’ and decisions on how to live will not be left only to your ego, but will be grounded in peace.
The three unwholesome roots of delusions, greed and hate are very basic to a a Buddhist practice. Out of these three, delusion is the foundational root, for without seeing delusions for what they are, you cannot distinguish the other two unwholesome roots of greed and hate. People suffer from delusions in all form and not just deity worship. Atheism, while freeing ones mind to think, but it does not guarantee one thinks right and acts right. This is the importance of replacing wrong religious beliefs with right thinking and right living.
For instance, I was banned from many ‘so called’ Buddhist sites such as Esangha, Tricycle, Shambhala, Buddha Chat, 12 step Buddhists, Sangha-Pauahtun, eBuddhism, etc even though I have been a freethinking Buddhist for nearly a decade. Some people claiming to be Buddhist think all they have to is shave their heads, adopt a silly name, be a vegetarians and burn incense to be a Buddhists…all the while they are doing great harm to others, Which is how it is with many Buddhist forums that are ‘for profit’ and run by ‘spiritually sick’ individuals. Currently, it is a sad state of affairs with such online Buddhist groups.
I’ve been on dozens of Christian forums and I have perfect record at the Christian forums…100% banned…and I was a Christian myself at that time I tried to join them years ago.
I was able to finagle my way back into one Christian forum though:
But I could only stay if I claimed to be an atheist…and I do not post much and keep my mouth shut…and if I do post it has to be something non consequential. Also I am not allowed to post with the Christians. I can only post to the atheists. I like that forum as it reminds me of the ‘sickness of attachment,’ so that is why I put up with all the prejudice. At that forum you can ‘buy your armor’ to outfit your avatar to shield you from evil and ‘trade blessings’ with each other.
The Billy Graham and Catholic forums banned me after my first posts…then they solicit me for months on end asking for money. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry?
Charity? Humility? Reciprocity? Freedom of Faith? Truth? And of course…Love Thy Neighbor as Thyself???
I’m afraid Christians don’t practice what they preach…at least at their forums. (Even the Buddhist whose mantra is ‘Do No Harm’ ban me 90% of the time at their forums, so they are only a little better than the Christians.)
Atheist forums are not much better at freethinking. Been banned at evil bible dot com, ethical atheist, Internet infidels, X-Christians and others.
How do I find peace with all this prejudice?
By knowing
“With the same material one man builds a palace and another only a hovel.” Russell Cromwell.
and accepting people are not perfect, nor am I perfect which is just as the Taoists tell us: “fleas come with the dog.”
So, my vote?
Seek truth and realize that as Aristotle told us: “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it and to rest satisfied with the degree of precision which the nature of the subject admits and not to seek exactness where only an approximation is possible.”
V (male)
everyone sensores thing just by the nature of being human.
Humans by nature classifly and group things like crazy.
Most humans like pleasure as opposed to pain, and pleasure is mainted mentally as well when you censor those mental things that one doesn’t want to deal with.
I think the internet should stay the way it is, allowing almost anything, but when you join a philosophy site, it is for philosophy, and so other things like people posting advertisement will be banned. Christian forums are probably set up by christians, and so they ban stuff too.
What I would like to see is a large christian/islam/religious forum set up by someone who is not a christian for example, and who then does not ban people on prejudiced ideas. That way people actually learn stuff in those forums, instead of re-arrange ideas as you were saying.
Exploring every possible world is an infinite affair.
That we have the capacity to define boundaries is the condition for any sensible experience or interchange. Ignorance, if you want to call it so.
The question may be: what do we bracket?
What do we find irrelevant, or in poor taste?
Yes, good points, we have a finite amount of time and we MUST bracket.
I like to let the individual decide what to bracket and do not like people forcing brackets on me though. (generally speaking and within reason)
V
those who say that truth must be pursued,i wonder at what cost?
cost of truth: the death of god (nietzsche)
is truth always good?
just because you love knowledge,then it is good?
what about the people who like collecting junk?they fill their houses with it untill they are unable to get out.
if you must collect something,it should at least have a practical use in the future or which you can extend its utility to others.
truth is not always useful.granted,perhaps we just aren’t able to use it
now.
but at other times,truth just seems plain malicious.the truth that one’s life is not worth living? that one loves in vain? that one has contracted a terminal illness? how can anybody accept truth as such?
if all truth is desirable.nobody would live in denial.
truth should be controled. but not by anybody else. one’s self must be responsible for it.