CHATROULETTE: You must try it.

What do you guys think???

I heard about this website (http://www.chatroulette.com/) from watching The Daily Show…and now I’m addicted. I think the idea is incredible. I’m speaking with strangers all over the world, face to face; the world is your oyster.

So most of the time people are going to “next” you if you don’t have a camera. Also, most guys are looking for girls, and there are lots of dicks…literally…there are loads of guys just showing off their dicks. Consider yourself warned.

There are also a lot of decent people on CR. Funny people, attractive people, curious people, artistic people. It’s a trip!

The trick is to break the ice and get a conversation flowing; when you do it’s usually rewarding. Who knew, people could be so interesting and so much fun. This website has put my misanthropy (exaggeration) to rest and renewed my interest in people.

Highly recommended: http://www.chatroulette.com/

It is full of guys wanking, and encourages people to make extremely snap judgements about others based on appearance.

It is literally hell on earth.

We always make snap judgments about others based on appearance - CR doesn’t encourage it any more than meeting others in person does. In fact, I could just as easily make the opposite argument - that CR is a useful tool for seeing one’s own snap judgments undermined and dis-proven.

Ultimately, it’s up to you who you talk to, not CR. CR allows everyone the freedom to move on to the next person at any time. I do not see that this is a bad thing, or that it necessarily facilitates snap judgments. As I was saying above, snap judgments are natural and the only way they are encouraged is if they are confirmed. On CR, if you make a snap judgment about someone and click “next” you are never able to confirm it. If you stick around, however, you may overturn a judgment you made about someone based on his/her appearance. For this reason, I do not see why it is a hell on earth. I mean, even if you’re afraid of rejection you learn to get over that pretty quickly (rejection = someone passing over you for someone else to talk to). There are tons of people and there will be plenty more who will want to talk to you as long as you make an effort. CR can be a great tool for socialization, expanding your knowledge of people all over the world, and for overcoming many biases.

will check it out… I’m the inquisitive kind after-all :wink:

I don’t ‘always’ make snap judgements about others based on appearance. Which ‘we’ are you referring to here?

CR does encourage it. I honestly don’t know how you could claim otherwise, but look forward to your explanation.

If one is aware of oneself to that extent, which most people using CR won’t be.

Most, as I said, are guys wanking and hoping to get a glimpse of a pretty girl on her webcam. They press the ‘next cam’ button pretty quick when they see I’m a great big hairy bloke. I’d call that a snap judgement based on appearance.

Ultimately, it’s up to you whether you just click through until you see someone you like the look of, and only then bother to strike up a conversation.

Not just facilitates, encourages. It is built into the very mechanics of the site.

Nonsense.

They are neither ‘natural’ nor only encouraged if they are confirmed. If you are clicking through looking for someone you like the look of then you have no idea whether your snap judgements about all the people you’ve rejected are accurate, because you never talk to them to find out. However, the process of making snap judgements is still reinforced by this behaviour.

If you do that. Most people don’t, based on my experience of the site.

It encourages the worst in people.

I couldn’t give a fuck about rejection from people who I know nothing about. I care deeply about rejection from people I know and love and care for.

Theoretically, but it is much more likely to be a tool for alienation, the enhancing of shallow prejudice and for maintenance of many biases. Given the sorts of people it largely attracts, and how they clearly use the site, I stand by my assessment of it. It’s possible that locking people up in prison will actually help them reform and cease to break the law. However, given the sorts of people who tend to get locked up, and the nature of most prisons, that doesn’t happen very often and shouldn’t be expected to.

Same with Chat Roulette, which is a prison, of sorts.

Translation: I am also interested in young hard cock.

Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :astonished:

I just wanted to see what the site was saying and nothing more… [-(

Such vulgarities, humph! :unamused:

SIATD v2,

Judgment - “the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing”
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/judgment

It’s pretty plain to me that we (human beings) do always make judgments about each other based on appearance + any other prominent characteristics we see when we meet a person for the first time. If you want some “authority” on snap judgments, it didn’t take me very long to find this: http://www.princeton.edu/main/news/archive/S15/62/69K40/index.xml?section=topstories. So it’s not very interesting to say that CR encourages snap judgments when such judgments are automatic.

About CR:

Fine. I just think that that’s a really strong statement. The positive experiences I had using CR definitely out-weighed the negative. But then, I put a little effort into using it. I asked the question: How do I attract interesting people? I came up with a few gimmicky ideas, and voilà.

You have all been talking first impressions and I am thinking what tactics I should use to hook in the real sheepgirls before they hit the “next” button? But on second thoughts there are better ways to chase ass that don’t require flash-flood charisma.

No offence, but reductio ad dictionaryum is a pretty crap argument.

It’s pretty plain to me (a human being) that I do not. Hence, which ‘we’ are you referring to here? One that presumably doesn’t include all the human beings who don’t conform to this. Hence, it isn’t natural, it isn’t inherent, it isn’t hardwired into all people.

Wow, a psychologist said it. It [i]must[/i] be true. It’s not like psychologists spend their time running unscientific experiments to test culturally useful hypotheses because that’s the whole reason for psychology’s existence as an academic discipline. Oh no.

:unamused:

Case in point:

In other words ‘we showed people faces for short periods of time and told them to make judgements. We found out that people make judgements in short periods of time’.

I imagine you can see the IMMENSE flaws in this reasoning, this experiment and therefore the conclusion that such judgements are ‘automatic’. But just in case you don’t:

  1. Telling people to do something then watching them do it proves nothing about human nature, and everything about what happens when you tell people to do that thing
  2. Observing people in this sort of laboratory set-up tells you nothing about how they’ll behave in a normal context, and everything about how they’ll behave in this particular experiment alone
  3. No test was done to see how people react when they look at a face for a longer period of time - minutes, hours, days, months, years, i.e. the actual time that in normal circumstances people have to make judgements about people.
  4. The system for testing how people reacted was just asking them - this is terrible, scientifically speaking, because all the data is coming from people subjectively observing themselves
  5. The process people go through in assessing whether a face is trustworthy or not will inevitably involve some reference to other faces of other people who have already been experienced. Never trust a guy with a beard, goes the saying. It isn’t a snap judgement, but one prepared by years of other sensory experiences and reflections on them.
  6. Even the article concludes that “People often draw trait inferences from the facial appearance of other people.” Note “often”. Not “always”. Not “automatically”. Not “as a matter of their nature”. So, your conclusion isn’t even supported by this article according to the very words chosen by the article’s author.
  7. The process of making a snap judgement based on appearance is encouraged by a commodifying culture of advertisements and superficiality. These psychologists made no effort to test their results against people who haven’t spent a lifetime being sold products through TV adverts, people who haven’t grown up in a world where you’re expected to text message your friends every 15 seconds. Hence, their results only speak for the sample of people who took part in the experiment, and not for anyone beyond that sample.

It should also be noted that, like most articles of this sort, the thesis is presented and hammered into the reader for several paragraphs before any evidence or reasoning is shown. So, I feel confident in my conclusion that this is a piece with no scientific merit, entirely led by the desired conclusion, which itself is propaganda designed to encourage people to be ever more fleeting, ever more shallow and ever more stupid in the way they think about others.

Indeed, this is the sum total of the accomplishments of psychology over the last century. They haven’t ‘cured’ even one person of their ‘illness’.

If you attract people with gimmicks then your impression of what constitutes ‘interesting people’ clearly differs greatly from mine.

Don’t worry Mags, I believe you. :slight_smile:

I was not making an argument by definition. I was merely clarifying terms.

I referenced the Princeton study not to say “That’s it, I won.” but to support my claim that judging other people is automatic. When did I ever say that psychologists must always be right? Let’s argue the value of psychology somewhere else. If you have a point get to it and stop defeating claims I never made.

I still don’t understand why you disagree. What do you do when you meet someone for the first time? You “size them up” - it’s automatic. You are noticing and taking in information and making judgments.

Nearly every part of your post is condescending and wrong. You try to pin claims on me and jump to hasty conclusions. Do you understand the principle of charity?

I lolled.

Okay, I’ll accept this rather than argue with you. But let’s take the clarification you cited:
“the process of forming an opinion or evaluation by discerning and comparing”

Is it possible to go through a process of forming an opinion including both discerning and comparing, in a snap? Is it fair to call the result of a momentary consideration a ‘judgement’? Would not this definition, as offered, make ‘snap judgement’ an oxymoron?

You told me the source provided ‘authority’. Hence, you are implicitly arguing that psychologists constitute an authority, which I would fundamentally dispute.

You didn’t. You implicitly argued that they are an authority, or rather, that premise is obliged by and implied by your argument.

You brought psychology into this as an authority. So let’s argue it here thank you very much.

Claims you never stated, perhaps, but nonetheless claims your argument requires to be true.

Perhaps because I’ve met people (and am such a person) who as a result of having their initial expectations and impressions radically confounded by people’s actual behaviour stopped making what you call ‘snap judgements’.

Which ‘you’ are you referring to? Me personally? The general you? The self-referring you?

You take in plenty of information about them, but as to making judgements, I’m not so sure. Shortly before Christmas I was out shopping in a local city and bumped into an old friend of mine and it being Christmas he insisted on plying me with alcohol. We careered around from pub to shop to pub to shop to pub, eventually running into some other friends of his who I’d never met before. One was a relatively young lady, I’m guessing mid to late 20s, reasonably attractive in a well-rounded sort of way, dressed in the typical black leggings black top (+bunch of other gubbins) that seems to be the uniform of women in my part of the world. She was nice enough, seemed an attentive mother to her young child who was also sat with us, didn’t say anything that particularly struck me one way or another. After she’d left, I found out she is a professional pornographic actress, not exactly a porn ‘star’ but something of the ilk. Because I don’t go round sizing people up and trying to guess if they work in porn this information hasn’t altered my impression of her. I can only assume you would have felt otherwise in the same circumstance.

I take responsibility for what I think about people, you shirk your responsibility by declaring your reactions ‘automatic’.

You may think so, but since your counterarguments have amounted to a whole lot of bitching I feel justified in simply re-asserting my existing position.

Which principle of charity? The one that says if people are saying something that isn’t true, and saying it in manner that has clearly been learnt from a documentary or textbook that you should magically assume they are actually right all along and not say anything about it?

I note that you haven’t responded to a single one of my criticisms of the psychological study, so here’s another one for you. The study apparently found that people tend to stick by their initial judgements about a person even when shown their picture for a longer period of time. However, the test provides no indication as to why this is, whether it’s down to people not wanting to be seen flip-flopping or whether people actually go through a genuine process each time they see a picture, or something else.

The implicit assumptions in this test made the result almost inevitable.

Sarcasm or sincerity? hmmm, I dunno… :-k

I’ll go with sincerity :smiley:

I’m glad to be a source of humour for you Tab :unamused: SIATD2 sure has a way with words, don’t he :confused:

No SIATD, I just want your’s baby :wink:

What is wrong with judging people by superficial traits?

Such a rule makes sense for children, as they can’t determine a lot of relevant things and it belongs to their parents. So, if we assume the liberal assumption of the self, judging children on superficial traits is a negative. But adults? Many things, such as class still remain largely outside of their control. But even still. You can tell a world of difference between the guy who bought jeans and a T-shirt, a suit, and a bombastic outfit from the '80s from the same dollar store for roughly the same price.

All you have to do is sit there and bleat into the camera, literally.

That should do it.

Possibly relevant information: techcrunch.com/2010/03/16/chatro … -perverts/

Per se, nothing. In a hyper-individualistic yet ruthlessly conformist and materialistic society, everything.