Chicken or egg? What came first?

It had something to do with me and arcturus, something to do with what scientists call ‘the big bang.’ All the fury in the heavens was unleashed.

Arcturus, eh? Was she involved in the Big Bang?

Is that true, Arc? Were you involved in the Big Bang?

Timelessness. Because I am a thought in the mind of God, I was present at the big bang.

God thought specifically about you, at the time of the big bang?

Not specifically about me
But about all that was to be.

Of course! How else could he justify it?

Or an eternal universe with or without God.

A God is an evolved being or a sentient universe.

Is that either/or?

I’d say both.

This question has not vexed anyone for hundreds of years. Long before Darwin, evolution was accepted.
The answer is egg. `Simply enough because all birds evolved from egg laying reptiles, and the evolution of egg layers predates birds by 100s of millions of years.
On the sentient being question. Sentient beings predate god, by a long way too.

I can say that in a manner of speaking I was, you were, Trixie was - WE ALL WERE. We all came about as a result of that Big Bang. We all (to quote Sagan) are star stuff, we came from the stars, we came eventually from that material which formed the universe.

Aside from that, TRIXIE, stop spreading untruths :angry:

and as for yourself GIB, stop being so naive. :evilfun:
If you want some juicy untruths, read one of those stupid magazines. :mrgreen:

In my experiences the egg always comes first. When I order a chicken biscuit and an egg McMuffin, they usually have to cook the chicken to order, while they make extra egg McMuffins and set them under the heat lamp. The egg McMuffin is always the first on my tray.

That’s not to say this will always be the case. Like Hume’s rising sun, there is no guarantee I will always get the McMuffin first.

Ok, but which one of us is responsible for the Big Bang? I know I would never do such an irresponsible thing. You and Trixie, on the other hand (at least according to Trixie), were horsing around or something and carelessly brought about the Big Bang. Way to go, guys, way to go.

I think it’s a pretty well established law of physics.

Yes, but not like you think. There is a very eloquent paradox here. The same terms would apply to this law of physics as you call it, in which case there would be no guarantee that the law stayed the same… so then there might be some guarantee that some things stayed the same. Oh nevermind.

gib,

So what are you saying here - that the universe is a meaningless, purposeless thing?

Always, always doubt what you hear, gib.

If you cut the horse in half, which side is me and which side is Trixie?lol

I heard that it was the pressure of all of the words in Rant being squeezed together and finally exploding causing the Big Bang. ILP was the First Cause.

Yes, and now the rest is up to the rest of you.

No not at all it could be both

I’m saying the universe is EVIL!!! :evilfun: :evilfun: :evilfun:

You’re the awesome side. Trixie’s the uh… uh… the other awesome side.

So does that mean I was wrong to say there was no time before the BB, or is ILP timeless?

Irresponsible goddesses.

Nah, I get it. Hume was brilliant. They say he was a causal skeptic, but I wonder about that. I think we can say for sure that he was a skeptic in the “law of sufficient reason” qua logical axiom, but that he actually didn’t believe in causes I think is a premature interpretation. He may have believed on faith (and had no qualms about admitting it).

Do you think the universe evolves? I do, but not necessarily from a small/simple thing to a big/complex thing, but just goes through change.