China: I Hate You; Everybody Else: Its Your Fault

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chinese people, i dont hate you thats not what i meant. your asian efficiency and dedication are pretty much the only thing in the entire world that humbles me.

today the world economy is in quite a strange position, especially involving the US and China.

typically the country that produces raw materials happens to be third world, containing a level of industrialization that builds mines, but not high tech factories. since all they have is raw materials, the labor is cheap and the product is cheap, and the country remains poor.

the country thats rich is the one that has factories that import the cheap raw and turn it into expensive goods. the labor gets paid more, the profits are bigger, the country is rich, especially when it has a neighbor to export to.

today in this world, americas largest export to the largest populated country, china, is raw materials. chinas biggest export is “efficient”-quality goods to america.

its all backwards. obviously china is the poor country, their citizens dont have money to buy the goods they make, they dont even get paid close to what an american raw material worker gets paid. america is buying the goods it shouldnt be able to afford and paying import export fees to a poor country so that the poor country can take advantage of all the higher paying jobs and not america.

they dont take advantage of the fact that the jobs should be higher paying by paying the workers, but by paying some jerk somewhere whos in charge.

what i hate is the fact that china is taking advantage of all kinds of rules that its breaking. minimum wage and all the third world contitions its workers deal with. the dude is just like ‘yeah i dont care shut the fuck up’

this clearly shows us that the problem here is that the leaders do not care about the welfare of the people. they also do not care what the international community thinks.

so what does the international community do? the only thing ive heard of is economic sanctions. i dont know about this at all, but do economic sanctions mean anything to the leaders? does fidel castro care about the most crippling sanctions ever?

we cant even cripple china like cuba anyway, they will be angry. if the mission with china is to force them to care about their workers…
“China, you better start caring about your workers or else… well hurt your workers!” “If you care about your workers, youll start caring about your workers!”

i crack me up, but besides translating my jokes into chinese and assasinating the president while he laughs, what could we possibly do?

the people of china dont want to deal with that shit any more than i do. north korea is a problem, their people and their army know for a fact that american imperialists will sacrifice their children to jesus. china cant possibly be like that. how hard is it to assassinate a leader. surely if the military powers can agree on a succesor then no harm can be done?

SPARE ME the freaking slippery slope bullshit. you know china is fucking with the world and sanctions dont work. only the leader wants to ruin the world, if the people want him dead and more freedom, and a peaceful coup is possible, how can the world fart around and not take advantage of that?

what else can we possibly do to stop china from stealing our superpower status slightly faster than they deserve?

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For starters, let’s put an import tax on MacDonald’s happy meals toys and other China imports. Let’s tighten our belts and pay more for unimportant imports than we have to. I think we have to do this in justice to third world countries anyway; but there the money should go to the workers, and in this case it can go to our government.

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id avoid benefitting from whatever idea it is that i enact. kind of makes you look like less credible. :laughing::lol::lol:…

…LIKE A CATHOLIC PRIEST. BOOYA! :sunglasses:

but yeah taking money from the rich chinese man in charge is a first step that needs to be ignored by him before more drastic measures can be justified.

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This is why we’re never going to do anything about it. Some U.S. citizens are making a killing off it; therefore it’s automatically good and will not stop until such time as a) third world countries develop minimum wages that don’t make ours look like Ross Perot’s salary; b) China calls in our unimaginably enormous and flabbergasting trade debt; or c) there is terrible armed strife of some sort.

B and C are obviously really undesirable. But American companies are too short-sighted or too callous to realize the handbasket they’ve put us all in, and China won’t be paying its workers that much anytime soon. The top echelons of both sides of the Pacific are making too much of a killing off this little arrangement - and China now has the US by the balls anytime they decide they gain more meat by shooting the cow than they’ll get squeezing milk out of it.

Oh yeah, gotta love the mixed metaphors.

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well we damn sure cant say we dont deserve it.

if theres ever been a call for an intellectual exodus from ‘the land of freedom to hate gays’ i think this qualifies.

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That was so much stupid, I really don’t know where to start…

History has shown numerous times that tarriffs don’t work, and free trade does. By putting tariffs on chinese, you are only hurting the US ecomony by reducing trade between China and America. China is going to over-take America as main super-power no matter what you try to do to their trade. And by enacting Tarriffs you are only hurting the people of China and the people of America.

And when you come down to it, regardless of China as a nation being strong, when it comes to a “per-capita” level, China is still 3rd world in many ways. Getting their economy going is the only way to wipe out their poverty. And having their population in poverty only makes them reliant on the welfare coming from their government, and thus, less likely to demand rights from thier government.

If China keeps their trend of liberalization going, we shouldn’t be pulling the rug out from under them and putting them back economicly, meanwhile hurting ourselves at the same time.

I’ll have more on this issue tomorrow, when I’m not up past my bedtime.

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i agree with u

wait for your takls tomorrow

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Well, here comes my post defending Free Trade.

You assume that a flood of foreign at cheap prices is a bad thing, right? Because it takes money away from American factories and puts it into the Chinese economy and factories, right? Wrong.

The lower prices will cause greater American consumer spending that will help out our industries that are competive. The workforce of China will grow and will be paid more due to a more successful economy. Because the workforce of China is suddenly larger and has money to burn, that will cause greater Chinese consumer spending that will go back into the areas of our economy that are competitive in (And thus, allowing that area to adsorb the jobs lost in the other areas we aren’t competitive in) and will allow us to focus on the areas of the economy which we have an advantage in.

The whole basis of trade and even economics is Specialization. If you can do something better than us, and we can do something better than you, we will both do what we’re good at and TRADE. By trying to impose Protectionist laws, you are not only forcing society to carry our dead weight (aka, the non-competitive industries) but you are limiting the potential of the industries that we could excell in by lowering foreign cunsumer spending. Although at first glance it looks like allowing American buisnesses close is bad for the economy, but in the long run, it’s for the best interests for everyone to dump the industries we suck at and raise up the ones we excell in.

Also, if you truely care about the wages, working conditions, standards and whatnot and what them to equal those in the first world, you have to abandon protectionist practices that are there to keep a stranglehold on the world economy and prevent jobs going to them.

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i like hayek.

in fact the Tibet here really have some privilege as i know

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The economist? He was alitte too right-winged for me, although I must say I agree with him highly on Central Planning, Free Trade, and for the most part, economical conservatism. But his defense for Capitalism as a whole was quite disturbing. But to be fair, he did coin the term catallaxy

PS: I like your signature.

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China’s gona catch up with America, because:

America loads millions of Chinese students with the best education that it has on offer each year. America invests more or less inefficiently in China, because it lacks neo-sinologists. China’s dominating generations in the future will be multi-language speakers, multi-nationality holders and multi-degree bearers.

“Zhi ji zhi be, bai zhan bu dai!” - Art Of War, Sun Tzu.

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Cold War II is right around the corner…

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The economical ties probably won’t let history repeat itself. The biggest issue between the US and the PRC is Taiwan. Chi-con is prepared to go nuke with Unclesam over this. I don’t see why should America take the risk over that small island.

The EU is lifting the arms ban on China despite America’s complaint. Russia is ever more willing to sell China some of its best weaponary, the Sunburn cruse missle is the nightmare of the parcific fleet. The Su-anti series will gun down any fighter jet as soon as taking off in Taiwan. China’s rising expenditure on defense has produced a land missle that can penetrate America’s newest defence net set up for Taiwan with ease. Just some more reasons why Bush is playing Chen down.