Chronicalling McCain(and Palin)

McCain mistakes Shiite for Sunni and vice versa

youtube.com/watch?v=jkfM7z0-Vdg
youtube.com/watch?v=0qu6B6fcfo8

McCain tries to connect Al-Qaeda to Iran

youtube.com/watch?v=YF4THiNv … re=related
youtube.com/watch?v=fWf7w–T … re=related

Doesn’t know facts about Iran
youtube.com/watch?v=Yr6Va7PE … re=related

McCain doesn’t know the basic facts about the troop surge in Iraq
youtube.com/watch?v=32i3pL9z7UE
Tries to explain it, and makes it even worse
youtube.com/watch?v=K2X8SVZNUrY

McCain doesn’t know basic geography - thinks Iraq boarders Pakistan
youtube.com/watch?v=NC0Y7zMcn_4

McCain on Taxes. Takes raising taxes off the table, and then says he’ll do it if needed
youtube.com/watch?v=-cFbJFYKkQQ

McCain moves to advocate a 16 month timetable - just like Obama’s - then McCain denies it
youtube.com/watch?v=WFVHup5b6Uw
youtube.com/watch?v=JiUf8kRqIQM

McCain agrees with Bush for years and then denies it.
youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1Cg

McCain’s scorecard on supporting the troops
DAV - 20 percent(Obama=80%)
IAVA - D(Obama=B+)

McCain’s sense of humor
youtube.com/watch?v=LZSBawx1QuA

Too many to post at once…more to come

we are the ones we have been waiting for

youtube.com/watch?v=mopkn0lPzM8

the light?!?

“I don’t want my daughter PUNISHED with a baby”

the revolution is closer than you dream democrat.

-Imp

youtube.com/watch?v=oHXYsw_ZDXg&feature=user

higher taxes

more foreign oil

that’s the real obama.

the revolution is coming home to roost

-Imp

cut, run and surrender?

youtube.com/watch?v=J_A53PAxeR8&feature=user

the revolution is close democrat

-Imp

the obamamessiah flips and flops on iraq

hear his own words.

youtube.com/watch?v=VHEIi4XKRmM&feature=user

the revolution is close democrat.

-Imp

troop funding?

youtube.com/watch?v=mm9IUfPZsX8&feature=user

who to thank for $4.00 gas?

youtube.com/watch?v=EiTpS4MK3D8&NR=1

change indeed

youtube.com/watch?v=CDTJDv4hevU&NR=1

seal of shame

youtube.com/watch?v=stkSo9SP … re=related

exterminate white people?

youtube.com/watch?v=D9ZWO9rc … re=related

bamboozled lately?

youtube.com/watch?v=PsIW7OYH … re=related

-Imp

Impenitent. i’m concerned that you have become enthralled by the tempting lure of the bait.

what makes you think that this president wqill be any more revolutionary than any of the former u.s presidents.

Can you think of one perfect president? Abe lincon would be my best guess. then again, i’m canadian.

didn’t that washington fellow wright that important thing about being equal while having slaves?

JFK is another candidate for best president. But as i recall the powers that be assasinated him and then framed that Oswald guy.

again, what is it that makes someone i respect so much have such grandeose faith in mccain. The poster of the videos name is “mccaindotcom” or something…

The video for rising gas prices is borderline absurd.

It goes something like “washington guys say no to independance from foreign oil, and say no to drilling in the homeland”

“who’s responsible for rising gas prices?” then they show a picture of Obama… :unamused:

i’m tempted to proclaim this thing one big slander war.

Imp.

Look, I provided a series of links of McCain making mistakes about basic facts that are immediately important to basic foreign policy. You provided a series of links that either make conclusions that don’t follow from the quotes provided, or make silly assertions from out of context phrases.

Take your first link, for example. The first quote from Obama says something like “we are what we have been waiting for”. A rhetorical phrase that suggests that change must be taken into our own hands. The next quote in the video is “I have become a symbol of America returning to our best traditions”.

The actual quote, in context, is “It has become increasingly clear in my travel, the campaign, that the crowds, the enthusiasm, 200,000 people in Berlin, is not about me at all. It’s about America. I have just become a symbol.”

Nothing wrong with that statement, he certainly is a symbol of change in America and around the world.

The rest of the quotes in the video are simply a misunderstanding or manipulation of the tone of his speeches. They are poetic and eloquent, and once again, nothing wrong with that.

So, your first link is nothing but a series of eloquent phrases that follow along the lines of his rhetoric of change, and the quote that the entire video hinges on is out of context and misquoted.

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“When it comes specifically to HIV/AIDS, the most important prevention is education, which should include — which should include abstinence education and teaching the children — teaching children, you know, that sex is not something casual. But it should also include — it should also include other, you know, information about contraception because, look, I’ve got two daughters. 9 years old and 6 years old. I am going to teach them first of all about values and morals. But if they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby. I don’t want them punished with an STD at the age of 16. You know, so it doesn’t make sense to not give them information.”

Again you got the quote wrong, but that’s neither here nor there. ^^Is the context of the sentence, and it’s perfectly reasonable, and doesn’t hold the undertones you wish it to.

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youtube.com/watch?v=oHXYsw_ZDXg&feature=user

This is the best one yet, for several reasons. First of all, your and the films claim that he will create a larger dependence on foreign oil and raise taxes on electricity are at odds, as he wants to raise taxes on “dirty energy” for the purpose of bolstering energy sources like wind and solar. You know, invest in wind and solar energy ect. You, and the video, completely misrepresent his position.

The sentence that that video hinges on is about raising taxes on dirty energy. Here is it in context.

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youtube.com/watch?v=J_A53PAxeR8&feature=user

As for this one, or the claim that leaving the war in Iraq is surrendering, it’s simply nonsense. It is insanity to define withdrawal as surrender, yet Bush and McCain have done so. Interesting to note, however, is that the Iraqi prime minister came out in support of Obama’s timetable, and then McCain followed suite. Also interesting to note that Obama spoke about upping troops in Afghanistan, and then McCain followed suit. You cannot both call his foreign policy surrender and adopt it at the same time. Simple bullshit.

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youtube.com/watch?v=VHEIi4XKRmM&feature=user

This video is just plain deceptive. It starts off by saying that Obama said the surge would make things work, and proves this by providing a quote of him saying that he is not persuaded that more troops will solve the problems in Iraq. Clearly the first statement does not follow from the second and the video is misleading.

The next quote is about him saying something about how an increase in troops will obviously increase security. That, I guess, is supposed to contradict his earlier claim about him not convinced that the surge will fix the problems, and assumes that the only problem to be fixed is violence in and around baghdad. It’s simple minded nonsense. The surge has not been a cure all even in conjunction with the anbar awakening, and there is no way to no if the what Iraq would be like without the other events that took place to reduce violence. You and the video mistake causality for correlation.

The rest of the quotes are resolved when one isn’t simple minded and considers the above.

I gave you the scorecard from veteran associations, and Obama beat McCain hands down. As for voting against allocating funds for the war in Iraq, all that shows is that he wanted the war to end. The idea that not funding a war has anything to do with all the implications of “troop funding” is comical.

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youtube.com/watch?v=EiTpS4MK3D8&NR=1

Funny that you blaim gas prices on Obama and Democrats when the sitting president and vice president have close ties to oil companies and supported deregulation that allows oil speculation. As for the claim that not supporting drilling = being for higher gas prices, I have had this discussion with you before. I gave you links from experts, from government documents, saying that drilling will have no effect for 10 years and the effect it will have will be negligible. I believe your response was something like “you can’t always trust the experts”. LOL

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youtube.com/watch?v=CDTJDv4hevU&NR=1
youtube.com/watch?v=stkSo9SP … re=related

Nothing factual to address, you’re searching.

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youtube.com/watch?v=D9ZWO9rc … re=related

Are you fucking kidding me? This is just bizarre. Some random guy saying “exterminate white people” is supposed to be an argument against Obama? That is irrelevant and I find the fact that you posted it to be quite racist.

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youtube.com/watch?v=PsIW7OYH … re=related

Nothing factual

Just to recap. I provided a series of links of McCain himself speaking about very important issues and getting very important details confused. You provided a series of links which were either factually incorrect, factually void, irrelevant, racist, or simply rhetoric.

I find it interesting that you are both experts on the people you don’t support. :laughing:

the only revolution is the socialist/communist revolution where the workers unite to steal the wealth from the “rich”

the thieves will be the ones who are dead.

-Imp

racist?

this is why I don’t post in the RELIGION board.

you are a true believer in the obamamessiah. have fun with your worship service. just remember the freedom FROM religion clause that the left tries to stick in the constitution applies to the religion of marxism too. and we are the ones with the guns friend. the revolution will be sweet.

see you at the polls.

-Imp

Geez guys, both are owned and both will flush the toilet sending the US as it exists down the drain after of course they take a crap on us. They both are scum, they both have broken their word and lie. They took an oath of office when they became senators. Are they doing their job? Have they helped their people?No and no. They both used their present office as a stepping stone and foreswore their oaths as Senators. They are getting paid by us to galavant across the country and the world to whore themselves. Did either of them stop accepting their Senatorial paycheck? Noooo. And niether is doing the job that they are paid to do.
Do either of you really want either of those two really suck ass whores in office?

I understand they are both liars… one set of liars is simply better than the other…

the tax increases from the left will destroy the economy and cause civil war 2

-Imp

Civil war is enevitable either way. the Repubs and the Dem are both going to cause severe economic change and pain. The mess that exists is going explode no matter who takes office. People are tired. i have always said that if the folks that blew up the towers had destroyed the IRS and all its records they would have been heros. The point there is the Gov’t is out of hand it is too large and is destroying the backbones of the people. It won’t change until there is dramatic change. People do not even realize they can boycott and ruin the Gov’t by not paying the Gov’t. It would be the best route. But nope we are a violent creature and violence is always the first thing we think of.

See, this is where you need to exit. I refuted every video and every claim you made, and you respond by simply repeating 1 of the refuted claims, and then spewing rhetoric and catch phrases.

Ofcourse it is racist, you posted a link of some random black guy ranting against white people in an attempt to argue against Obama. It is overtly racist.

shut up and vote for obama

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-Imp

But … babies are a punishment! Good thing my female slaves are going to be taking care of them while I lay in bed and get a peaceful night’s rest to rejuvenate my manhood and basks in dreams of war & the world’s destruction.

(Damn am I glad I got out of politics when I did… :evilfun: )

You make a mockery of yourself. Blather on.

Impenitent: the tax increases from the left will destroy the economy and cause civil war 2"

Kropotkin: Well let us see what the facts really are? First, there is no proof of any kind that cutting taxes
improves the economy. The four big tax cutting times were 1920, however that only affected less then 3% of
Americans, so we can’t use that one. The second was JFK and the economy didn’t start to move until 1966 more
then 4 years after tax cuts and economist tell us that tax cuts take affect 2 year afterwards, so what drove the economy?
Easy, good old fashion keynesian economics with the driving force being the massive increase in the military in 1966 from
the Vietnam war. And third was Reagan and his economy was middling at best with large chunks of the economy stagnating
with little or no growth and not to mention he left a massive debt which was paid off by BILL CLINTON
and his tax increases which lead to one of the three strongest economies in American history. A surplus is one
way to tell if the economic policies are working and Clinton left the largest surplus in American history, so clearly raising taxes
is not the evil IMP suggest. The fourth is bush jr. and we now have the largest debt in American history and a recession to boot.
So clearly cutting taxes has nothing to do with economic growth.

Kropotkin

Imp, here’s a simple argument to show you the stupidity of your position. If Obama is a socialist, then Britain is currently run by socialists, because politically he and our current Labour party are really quite similar. Britain hasn’t fallen victim to a socialist revolution and economically is about as (un)healthy as the rest of the world. Case closed. Please stop spewing moronic rhetoric that serves no discernible purpose. Clearly, both candidates have flaws and strengths. Clearly the media favours Obama.

Personally, I think its a shame than John McCain, who I rather respect, has had to stoop to the level he is currently at to appeal to the ‘average’ Republican. How can he stand to court the support of the Christian right? If ANY organisation will lead your country into armageddon, its that one.