CIA director resigns because?

Porter goss has just resigned from head of the CIA.
The most interesting part is no reason was given, none.
Not some lie about spending time with the family or bull
like that. The rumors is, goss is actively being investigated
in the duke Cunningham investigation. Goss was a congressman
for many years before going to the CIA. So another republican
is down for the count, by the way, the number three guy,
recommended by gross, is being investigated for another
scandal. My, my, it never stops, does it?

Kropotkin

Well, getting past the rumors, it is quite likely that Goss realized he was looking up a dead horse’s *** and wanted to get away from the stench.

I get the feeling the CIA is sort of a shitshow. I mean, the NSA is basically the real organization, they handle something like 7 times the workload of the CIA.

Even then it probably all funnels back to homeland security…

I could see why he simply wouldn’t want to work there anymore…

The scandal that will rock the CIA is HOOKERGATE.
This is a cute one. At poker parties, congressmen were
provided with hookers from lobbyist. The man involved
was the one who bribed duke cunningham. Goss and his
third in charge were both congressmen who have been
implicated in this little scandal.
I just love how things just travel around in circles.

Kropotkin

Peter Kropotkin: So another republican
is down for the count, by the way, the number three guy,
recommended by gross, is being investigated for another
scandal. My, my, it never stops, does it?

K: As advertise. The number 3 guy in the CIA has just
announced he is quitting. I love being right.

Kropotkin

just wait for the nsa wire tap debate during the confirmation process…

digging your own graves…

-Imp

Well more information.

The top 5 people in the CIA have left over the last year.

1 and 3 over the looming scandals.
2, 4, and 5 left in the purge of the CIA by
goss, whereas democrats were purged out
of the CIA, for political reasons. Not security reasons,
but because they didn’t have the right politics.

How special.

Kropotkin

I think it’s a great idea to have a general running the CIA. He’s had over 20 year experience gathering intel. The CIA uses more human aspect instead of technology but I am confident in his ability to lead.

Disgruntled Human: I think it’s a great idea to have a general running the CIA. He’s had over 20 year experience gathering intel. The CIA uses more human aspect instead of technology but I am confident in his ability to lead."

K: And I am not. He has proven his worth by being the guy who
ran the NSA illegal wiretapping (your phone, my phone, everyones
phone) This administration has proven it only hires people who
are personally loyal to bush, not to principles like the constitution,
or america, or obeying the law. Can anyone say, harriet miers.

Kropotkin

I think that alot of people are afraid that he’ll discover the enemy within the CIA. There have been way to many leaks and incompetent people, this is the guy who’ll set the standard of “ship up or ship out.”

I fully understand your concerns. Who would you have be the director of the CIA?

Disgruntled Human: I think that alot of people are afraid that he’ll discover the enemy within the CIA. There have been way to many leaks and incompetent people, this is the guy who’ll set the standard of “ship up or ship out.”

K: the shape up or ship out for the bush administration is
one of support our policies or ship out. It has nothing to do
with intelligence or increase the intelligence ability to ferret out
terrorist, nope, support us or go.

DH: Who would you have as director of the CIA?

K: As this administration practices cronyism and the worse kind of
cronyism, again Harriet miers and “doing a heck of a job brownie”
are prime examples, a return to competent people would be a
nice change of pace. If the bush administration
hadn’t purged the CIA of dozens of top level people who
were purged ONLY because they were democrats, that would leave
plenty of lifelong intelligence people who could take over the post.
I would prefer a return to people who have done the job for years
instead of the usual bush political hacks.

Kropotkin

Who would you have as the director of the CIA? I would like to hear some names please.

Disgruntled Human: Who would you have as the director of the CIA? I would like to hear some names please."

K: alas, I don’t have the names of the top 10 people in the
CIA. Just about any one of them who have been there for
more then 10 years could probably do the job. My other
problem is I don’t have specific names and backgrounds of
the people in washington to be able to give you names.
For instance until Porter Goss was nominated, I had no idea
he had been in the CIA, so I am really unable to give
you any names.

Kropotkin

That’s fine. Do you have any problem with someone who’s in the military running the CIA? I’m not talking about the current nominee specifically, just any military man with proper experience.

no this was legal

what do you mean by this (and note: i am trying to clearify not be a jerk)

PK: :He has proven his worth by being the guy who
ran the NSA illegal wiretapping

GP: no this was legal

K: actually constitutional experts outside of the white house
and justice department believe that it is both illegal and
almost surely unconstitutinal.

K: “Can anyone say, harriet miers.”

GP: what do you mean by this (and note: i am trying to clarify not be a jerk)"

K: no, clarification is good. The harriet miers reference was talking
about Harriet miers being nominated for the U.S. supreme court
based on only knowing the village idiot for years.
She had no discernible reason for being nominated except for that.

Kropotkin

One, ever since the formation of the NSA, it’s been in bed with America’s phone companies. At the time it was Ma Bell.

Two, you say it was illegal. How come nobody in Congress raised any legal objections at the time?

Three, there are 3 companies that turned over records, the fourth one supposedly hasn’t and has refused to be interviewed at all. Methinks that the terrorists will all switch over to the fourth company’s service, which is actually giving over records to the gov’t anyways. It’s a nice plan, if I can think of it, I’m sure the brains with college degrees in Washington can.

Disgruntled Human: One, ever since the formation of the NSA, it’s been in bed with America’s phone companies. At the time it was Ma Bell.

K: to a point, yes, but people I know who work
in telecommunications, say in the last 6 years it has gone
way beyond the scope of when clinton was president.

DH: Two, you say it was illegal. How come nobody in Congress raised any legal objections at the time?

K: what he did was tricky. He took an existing law signed by
carter and Clinton about wiretapping foreign nationals outside
of the U.S. without judicial approval and wiretapping within the
U.S. with judicial approval and simply did the wiretapping without
any judicial restraint. He didn’t need to go to congress because
he simply took existing laws and stretch them way beyond
what the law actually allowed. And by making it all classified,
no one in congress actually knew. Remember wiretapping is legal
if you get a judge approval, they did it without a judges approval
which is what makes it illegal. Judicial restraint of the executive branch
is crucial to maintain the proper checks and balance of the
government.

DH: Three, there are 3 companies that turned over records, the fourth one supposedly hasn’t and has refused to be interviewed at all. Methinks that the terrorists will all switch over to the fourth company’s service, which is actually giving over records to the gov’t anyways. It’s a nice plan, if I can think of it, I’m sure the brains with college degrees in Washington can."

K: I have read that “qwest” since they refused have been the
target of several justice department investigations. Which would
lead on to believe these were retaliations for refusing the
government request. One other point, it is not treason to
point out the government has broken the law in these matters.
Some have declared that anyone who brings out into the public
that the government is breaking of the law is treasonous.
Well this viewpoint is simply wrong. Breaking the law is no excuse
for hunting down terrorist. You still have to obey the law or
you are no better then the terrorist.

Kropotkin

It’s not wiretapping, the records only say that Joe called from this number to Mary on this number at this time and their conversation lasted x minutes. These phone companies don’t have anything in the fine print that ensures the privacy of their customers calls to this extent so they had the right to sell/trade/give the records to the NSA and thus it is not illegal.

For the second part, I didn’t say Qwest did wrong. I was only suggesting that they could easily be apart of the conspiracy.

And I’m sure that when the Democrats were last in power you were urging them to sack all the Republicans because they didn’t have the right politics…