Comparing Infinite Series'

It seems that a great many modern mathematicians are stuck back in the middle ages when it comes to the concept of infinity even though it has been around 60 years since many (if not all) of the issues were resolved with the mathematics of hyperreals.

Personally, I define a term for that particular number so as to make the math simpler to visualize;

infA ≡ [1+1+1+…+1]
and
smlA ≡ 1/infA

InfA represents a simple infinite series that does not converge and it is exactly defined and thus does not merely have the quality of being infinite, but represents an exact degree or scale of infinity.

InfA + 1 =/= infA

It can be said (and has been countless times) that anything added to infinity is still infinity. That has been both true and false, depending on how the term “infinity” is meant. It is true in that both sides of that equation have the quality of being infinite, but it is not true that they have the same value or scale of infiniteness.

By definition if something is added to or subtracted from something else, the result is not equal to the its former value, even if it still has many similar qualities. One can say that a large number “L” plus a small number “n”, is still a large number. But that does not mean that L+n = L.

If for example we multiply infA times 2, we get;
2 * infA = 2 * [1+1+1+…+1] = [2+2+2+…+2]

[1+1+1+…+1] =/= [2+2+2+…+2], even though they are both infinite in quality.

This can be seen by merely beginning a comparison of the series and see where it leads.
[1] =/= [2]
[1+1] =/= [2+2]
[1+1+1] =/= [2+2+2]
and since the degree of difference between them is always the same (times 2), it can be seen that;
[1+1+1+…+1] =/= [2+2+2+…+2]

Even though both sides are infinite, they are not equal in their scale or degree of infiniteness.

But I find it interesting that mathematicians seem to commonly operate on a series in an effort to compare them in a way similar to the following;

[1+1+1+…+1] = [(1+1) + (1+1) + (1+1)+…(1+1)] = [2+2+2+…2]

One cannot arbitrarily couple terms within a series and declare them to be equal to the sum and then presume to do so for an infinite length and still have a valid comparison. The reason for this is that the infinite series has been “stretched” to compensate for the inadvertently added terms. And in this case, has been stretched to twice the original scale.

I noticed in a Wiki article concerning the Harmonic Series, that a comparison was being made in the following manner;

Note that in the first series, the terms are getting smaller and smaller. But in the second series, they are not. The second series never approaches a zero term, whereas the first series does. In order for the first to be actual equal to the second, it would have to be exponentially stretching merely to keep up with the growing number of terms of the second series. Term by term comparisons show that the first series is becoming greatly smaller than the second as the number of terms approaches infinity.

But as you can see, the first series is getting stretched so as to make it seem as though it is equal in value to the second series. Those are not equal values because the number of terms determines the scale of the infinity involved.

[1] = [1]
[1+1/2] = [1+1/2]
[1+1/2 + 1/4] [size=150]<[/size] [1+1/2 + 1/2]
[1+1/2 + 1/4 + 1/4] [size=150]<[/size] [1+1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2]

Yet this proposed comparison (from the middle ages) is still used to prove that the Harmonic series sums to an infinite value. It is an invalid proof. One cannot stretch nor shrink infinite series’ when comparing them unless both series are altered equally.

You might want to edit that post. That’s not the full comparison test of the Harmonic Series and the missed steps are important.

I wasn’t interested in arguing about the Harmonic Series. I was just talking about that one step of trying to compare two series in that fashion.

…and he also used the definition symbol “==” incorrectly.

And using that rational, we could just say that;

__[1+1/2 + (1/4+1/4) + (1/4+1/4) + (1/4+1/4) +…]
= [1+1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 + 1/2 +…]
= [1+1/2 + (1/8+1/8+1/8+1/8) + (1/8+1/8+1/8+1/8) + (1/8+1/8+1/8+1/8) +…]
= [1+1/2 + 1/8 + 1/8 + 1/8 +…]
= [1+1/2 + (1/4+1/4) + (1/8+1/8+1/8+1/8) + (1/16+1/16+1/16+1/16+…]

We could make anything equal to anything else.

The comparison was harmonic series and another series. The terms of the harmonic series are always larger than the other series. The same number of terms is used for the comparison. The other series is shown to not converge. Therefore the harmonic series does not converge.

Didn’t I just say that I am NOT arguing about the Harmonic series??

In that presented “proof”, that one step is invalid. But it is a common error that mathematicians accept without realizing its erroneous nature. When you compare infinite series’, you cannot change the comparative length of either series.

As it turns out, the integral proof on that same page is also invalid, but that is another issue.

But they didn’t change the length. That’s my point. There is no error.

They certainly did change the length;

Each parenthetical is referencing one “1/2”.
(1/4 + 1/4) = 1/2
(1/8 + 1/8 + 1/8 + 1/8) = 1/2
…

The length of the first series gets exponentially longer than the second series.
2 terms → 1 term
4 → 1
8 → 1
16 → 1
32 → 1
.
.
.

By the time you got to the 20th “1/2” term of the second series, you would be referencing 1,048,576 terms from the first series.
… with 2,097,150 total terms being already counted in the first series.

I would say that 20 to 2,097,150 is a substantial difference in length.
And the second series totaling to an infinite quantity says nothing of the first series.

8 terms
Harmonic: 1+1/2+1/3+1/4+1/5+1/6+1/7+1/8
Test series: 1+1/2+1/4+1/4+1/8+1/8+1/8+1/8
Group to compare
Harmonic : 1 + 1/2+ (1/3+1/4)+ (1/5+1/6+1/7+1/8)= 1+ 1/2 + 7/12+ 533/840
Test : 1+ 1/2+(1/4+1/4)+(1/8+1/8+1/8+1/8) = 1+1/2+1/2+1/2

The harmonic series terms are always equal to or bigger than the test series terms. The test series obviously does not converge.

The comparison can be made for any number of terms.

Try it for 16 or 32 terms.

All of the blue is irrelevant.
All of the red is incorrect as an infinite series.

Do you believe that infA = infA + 1?
…that something can be what it is plus one more than it is?

[1+1+1+…+1] = [1+1+1+1+…+1] ???
Without the coloring, they look the same, but that is merely due to their representations.
But can they logically be the same?

Program your Jack to see how it works.

It’s pretty simple. You don’t need to go to infinity and you don’t need Hyperreals. There’s a clear trend.

Yeah the trend is that one series reaches infinity long before the other.
Back to my question;