compromise between moral relativism and moral absolutism

Here’s my solution to the problems inherent in moral relativism (i.e. problems like if it’s OK for one person to murder another in someone’s eyes, then we have no right to stop him/her). I think moral relativism ought to be viewed as one axis of a two dimensional paradigm. So this one axis might be labeled “X is totally acceptable” and “X is totally unacceptable” at the two ends. On the other axis of this two dimensional paradigm, we have the labels “X is culturally taught” and “X is genetically hard wired”. So for example, the Jewish maxim to respect the sacredness of the Sabbath is clearly a culturally established moral principle. It falls on the extreme end of “X is culturally taught”. But there is another Jewish maxim that says “Though shalt not kill” - this, I think, belongs on the other end: “X is genetically hard wired”. It is my belief that human beings, by and large, have a strong deeply imbedded instinct not to kill another human being, and therefore can be said to be genetically hard wired. This is not to say that it cannot be overridden, but it requires careful psychological programming (such as military or law enforcement training) or exceptional circumstances (self-defense in life-or-death situations). Neither is this to say that such instincts are equally effective in all human beings - there are a few sociopaths out there. But on average and under normal circumstances, the human tendency is to avoid murdering other human beings even if it means enduring great hardship (extreme anger, desperate situations, etc.). I think this is the case regardless of the cultural background from which an arbitrarily chosen human being is taken.

There are other examples of instinctually rooted tendencies and inclinations that I believe to be common across various cultures, such as the tendency to respect and care for children, the tendency not to want to hurt another human being, the tendency to seek one’s own happiness and wellbeing, the tendency to respect other’s sexual rights, the tendency towards honesty and truth telling, etc. I say again that the great majority of these can be overridden by cultural programming, some of them very easily, but it is not the difficulty with which one can subdue these moral inclination on which my argument rests - rather it is a question of the source: does it stem from what we have been taught or will an individual, left to his/her devices, develop and grow to follow these inclination naturally. If it is natural, I say that falls on the “X is genetically hard wired” end. If it falls on this end, then I say we ought to take a more absolutist view of its moral standing.

Now, when I say “absolutist”, I don’t mean that such moral principles have an independent existence from human consciousness and human life - just that it doesn’t vary, at least not by much, from one human being to another (cultural influences notwithstanding). A key point to keep in mind, therefore, is that there are hypothetical scenarios that one might imagine for which this absolutist view might have to be retracted in favor of a relativistic view once again - even for the whole of humanity. For example, what if we were visited by an alien race whose neural wiring was so drastically different from human neural wiring, resulting in their upholding of drastically different moral values, that we had no choice but to fall back on relativism to resolve the conflicts between the values held by each species (at least philosophically)? So the absolutist end of the spectrum certainly isn’t a lower limit, it’s just a limit insofar as those concerned are human beings.

I say the absolutist end of the spectrum ought to take precedence over the relativist end, not so much because this brand of absolutist sanctions moral principles belonging to that end as absolutely “correct”, but that there should be very little difference between where one human being stands on such morals compared to another (again, cultural influence notwithstanding). If we take that approach, I think a lot of the problems inherent in moral relativism can be resolved. This is more of a practical solution than a principled one (i.e. it answers the question of what we ought to do given the moral conflicts stemming from relativism rather than the question of are such moral principles true), but I’ve always thought practical solution are more important than principled ones.

Your ‘genetically-hardwired’ point is shaky and like you said yourself, “it’s on a different axiom” than moral absolution. I see the two as mutually exclusive. Any mental bridge is ideological at best. My solution is to just throw away the moral axiom itself and become amoral.

And people don’t/can’t grow up in a vacuum from others. We’re necessarily going to be stained with moral lessons from our peers from the get-go. There’s no avoiding that–the only thing that matters is how people react to it.

I would say the only provable/discussion-worthy ‘genetically-hardwired’ human instincts are survival and reproduction. Historically, in my eyes, morality never completed the picture of explaining or reacting to these instincts.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/13/magazine/13Psychology-t.html?_r=3&pagewanted=1&oref=slogin

This article supports some of your hypothesis of innate human tendencies and is well worth reading if you have not already.

According to this, a certain hierarchy of morality exists. For example, it could be seen as moral for one to kill in the name of their god, as their tendency to obey what they precieve as an absolute authority(god) overrides any moral standing they would give to an individual.

The fact that human societies/individuals(minus psychotics with little brain activity in areas involved with emotion and empathy) do not kill for absolutely no reason proves ethical relativism is bunk. We are not “blank slates” who created moral codes for no reason. There exists a natural tendency to feel things such as empathy, remorse, guilt…these are NOT purely products of society. While there is unlikely to be an objective morality put forth by an omnipotent entity, it is not based on personal tastes like food preferences or fashion either. That’s a false dichotomy if I’ve ever seen one. The truth, as usual, is likely to be found in the gray area inbetween.

It can be argued that society and culture is the ideal path to ensuring continued human survival. In the contexts of a society, certain guidelines must be in place to ensure its survival and subsequently increase the likelihood of human survival. So society’s survival = human survival, since humans are naturally social animals with greater ability to survive together than alone. So going against your society(by mindlessly killing, for example) makes no sense, because frankly, you’re dependent on others to live. The human inclination to not kill with no justification may actually be a mechanism that helps our survival by leading to increased cooperation with others to ensure our own survival. Much like hunger or thirst, empathy or guilt may be a biological response to a condition that makes our survival less likely. On the flip side, friendliness and needs to socialize and cooperate may be biological tools that make our chances of survival in an otherwise inhospitable world all the more likely.

Now, I’m using the term “society” rather loosely. Even traditional bands of 35-50 people constitute a society. In fact, that size accurately conveys the example above.

Exactly, cooperation is beneficial. Morality is simply a means of curbing or basic drives and redirecting them towards more beneficial paths. As I’ve stated elsewhere, Life is not a Zero Sum game, in most cases our best biological option is to cooperate and cooperation requires subduing the urge to compete.

Most basic moral principals make sense this way, the problem is the silly/contradictory justifications we attempt to make for our moral rules.

Give me one example of moral absolution across all cultures and societies that has stayed consistent through human evolution in time.

I can give you two outside of morals: survival and reproduction.

Survival and reproduction is basically the same thing. Survival through reproduction. It’s the biological imperative.

Are you sure you understand what I mean by “absolutism”?

There’s two things to keep in mind here, both of which I pointed out in my OP:

  1. by “absolutism”, I don’t mean, unquestionable and intractible moral Truths; rather, I mean a human inclination that’s common across all cultures and historical epochs (for the most part, on average, under normal circumstances, etc.) when all cultural influences are taken out of the equation.

  2. that these “absolute” moral inclinations are by no means unsupressable by cultural programming. Remember, it’s not about how difficult they are to override, it’s about where they stem from: culture or instincts.

Given these two points, it’s not that hard to come up with the kinds of examples you’re asking for:

*respect for human life
*respect for human dignity
*respect and care for children
*respect for the sexual automony of others
*respect for one’s own rights, happiness and wellbeing

This is never the case, which is why moral absolution is nonsensical.

You will need to prove this.

I already made my point in that regard: the only ‘instincts’ that we can definitively follow are outside moral imparitives.

This is not universal. I do not respect all human life.

‘Dignity’ is constructed from social ideologies and are relative/arbitrary.

This may be your best example, but only if you take out ‘respect’. I do not need to respect children. The only thing that matters to adults in regards to children is that they survive childhood in order to reproduce on their own.

I don’t see how this is necessarily true. If I wanted to get down to the most-base argument, I would say I should only respect my own sexual automony–not others by necessity.

Again, these are socially constructed, cultural ideologies. They are relative/arbitrary.

I’m just considering it hypothetically to make a point. This is often done in philosophy in order to abstract matters of principle from an otherwise confounded situation.

What kind of proof? Like proof that the instinct not to kill can be overridden? Well, soldiers are trained to kill, the Nazis were trained to think killing Jews was OK, etc.

If your asking for proof that such an instinct exists in the first place, I don’t think you’ll find one culture around the world or throughout history that doesn’t have some law against murder. Even the Nazis didn’t condone all forms of killing. There has to be something more than mere cultural modes of moral valuation going on here - otherwise it wouldn’t be so common.

You mean survival and reproduction? Well, these are certainly ammoral drives, but I don’t see how these are exhautive of all human instincts, nor do I see how these are necessarily mutually exclusive with moral considerations.

But you don’t go around killing people willy-nilly, do you? There must be something that holds you back.

All I mean by this is that we don’t go around insulting and degrading people just because we feel like it. It’s much the same as why we don’t go around killing people, only not nearly as strongly motivated.

I think you’re confusing the mechanism and methods of natural selection for our conscious “reasons” for why we behave the way we do. Yes, as far as our survival is concerned, all that matters is that children survive to adulthood and reproduce, but we care for and adore children for reasons other than this - something inside us (most of us anyway) says that children are precious and deserve love and protection. We respect and care for children because we want to.

But you don’t rape women if they turn you on, do you? Same idea as above.

This of all points should be one that you agree with (given your survival and reproduction point of view). By this, I just mean simply doing what feels good, assuming other moral considerations (instinctual or cultural) don’t stand in the way - you know, taking care of your health, having fun at wild parties, going to a movie, etc.

Why compromise?