Thank you! “Nonconforming is still conforming.” Who gives a fuck?! Even if someone wears popular jeans or whatever, that doesn’t mean that they are some wack job or even that they are normal. What ever that means. Thank you for posting this…
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It’s about in-group/out-group identification. For some people being identified as being part of a non-majority group is incredibly important. I think that is sorta silly, but whatever.
I never liked Nirvana.
But I see the point of people no longer liking something if everyone else likes that something. It’s because it’s value decreases. If you no longer feel unique with your tastes, perhaps you change them.
I like copper as a metal, I feel it is as valuable as gold in my eyes. It’s not worth more than gold to other people though. I now throw pennies in the trash.
So is ingesting magic mushrooms.
My body, my money.
Why is your body your’s as opposed to your parents’?
Because Their brains don’t give my body function.
I understand your point but what if the issue was not trivial.
what if one is refusing to conform to laws… or such…there is more to conforming and refusing to conform than you let on.
I do what I do, and like what I like: regardless of sociotel pressures and trends - it makes me happy (that all-important deciding factor…)
now is that true?
I doubt it.
you do conform due to ‘sociotel’ pressures. If you didnt you would not act the way you act. I am not you so I can not give you examples, but if I had to guess you would steal to have more money, and ect.
now be honest
You both are a conformers
or the police are after you or you havent been caught breaking laws yet. one of the three apply.
I do understand what you are saying.
South Park even did an episode on it.
That in the current modern american culture there are ‘people’ i.e. ‘goth kids,’ who think the are not conforming by wearing all black clothes and such. but in fact conforming. they are all doing the same thing. and why let a majority of people control one’s tastes. I will like what I like…blahblahblah…
this conception in my view is shallow.
and not conforming can be a worthy goal in it self with it has profound
results…
do you know who Rosa Parks is? what ever her motivation was, she did not conform and she did not move to the back of the bus…and the rest is history
and yes you are a conformist
Can you own pets then? What about computers? I certainly don’t give my computer function, I merely use it. Same deal with my car. That is a self-defeating argument.
Not true at all. One could take ownership of themselves after their parents die, for example or realize that their bodies are communal goods, as in we live and work both through and for each other.
People owning only themselves? Doesn’t that make other forms of property difficult?
Oh, I tried to conform as a teen, but didn’t even fit into that niche/they couldn’t meet my needs - I’m so unique that even my whole family call me weird (they do love and support me though: they just don’t understand me/my mentality).
Neighbours and acquaintances accuse me of all sorts of amoral things: because they do not understand my mentality/way of living, but that is their problem not mine: as I remain true to myself through-out the slurs against my character, and even though my moral code and ethics is extremely high 
I am not here to convince you otherwise, winverawin - just take my word as true: as I never lie (don’t need to…) 
You´re damn right there.
What matters is making decisions/actions genuinely by yourself, so whether that happens to conform or not is insignificant. In either case your behaviour was determined by others; sheep or anti-sheep, it´s essentially the same thing. You wanna feel one of the gang, without becoming non-descript. It´s two types of identity - group/belonging vs individualism - determined by where one strikes the balance.
But making decisions “yourself” is hardly a clear matter. Who knows what factors led you to it, and whether they could be deemed “authentic”. In reality few, if any, decisions are made without recourse to the response and impact on others, and of course yourself. Is there such a thing as a free, authentic choice? Thinking about that, it would take some bizarre isolated solipsistic world, which simply doesn´t exist. Perhaps only the odd insane person should be our role model for such an ideal.
I think I´d be with Tortoise in saying that one should determine their own values and pursue them, regardless of whatever identity, be it lemming or oddball, society subsequently places on them. That would be true authenticity, and is far harder and rare than many like to admit.
o.k. I dont mean to be a wise ass or piss people off. I talk on here for enjoyment and to converse and learn.
with that in mind.
why would someone change their ways for no reason what so ever?
there has to be a reason why someone would confrom or not conform.
so ‘to conform or not to conform’ does not stand alone. It is accompanied by a motive.
someone just cant be a nonconformist. that doesnt make sense.
they have to have a motive for going against the norm.
Quite!