What is the nature of consciousness? Is it neurobiological, metaphysical, etc? How does it arise and how can anyone overcome subjectivity?
You really should present a view as well as asking a question. This isnt an opinion swapmeet.
Consciousness is an activity of the brain, and is entirely neurological.
Subjectivity does not need to be overcome, just accepted.
While we may know that conciousness is an activity of the brain, we don’t really know where conciousness is. Neither do we know how it happens. Think about this, even if we know that consciousness is an activity of the brain, the brain is reliant on the heart, and the stomach, liver, etc, correct? So you could say consciousness is happening all throughout your organism. But isn’t the body reliant on the environment, the temperate and orbit from the sun, the conditions of the earth’s makeup and atmosphere to sustain life? And the orbit of our solar system is reliant on our galaxy, which is reliant on the universe, is it not? So eventually, you start coming to think, maybe consciousness is a function not just of your organism, but of the universe.[/i]
JoeTheMan,
You may be interested in a recent thread I created about conciousness and awareness.
ilovephilosophy.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=146505
I believe conciousness can be a product of the brain and also stays after the brain has exhausted itself. My reasoning is in that thread. Like torrents suggests conciousness is present in all matter. Awareness is what seperates us from the dead.
Then stop swaping your opinions because there is no fact in what you just said.
thats exactly my point. Without some kind of framework all we can do is swap opinions, and so for what little it was worth, I did.
Threads starting with just questions can develop into something interesting when someone takes a beef with an opinion, but threads that start with something substantial can be argued with straight away.
Good points, Murdoc and Oreso. I’d like this thought developed—the framework in which to pose a philosophical question. Maybe some could benefit from the explanation of why we need framework in our arguments/explanation, and what is a framework. Otherwise, it’s all and everything that one can say, and will just go deeper into relativity of opinions without reaching any understanding of the topic.
Your collective framework demonstrates such an accuity for philosophy’s loopholes, not unbrilliantly, but ever so revealing of what would be the futility of an all-out discussion about anything “substantial”? What is substantial? My God, you collectify Socrates in the consciousness, where you are poised to analyze our every move, “for the little it is worth”. As philosophers in an opinion swap-meet, all substance is, correctly, or not, (what do you think?), a universally subjective display of unique gifts, whereby a comparative understanding may be reached by way of opinions’ collective relativity to something
Meddler, explain that again, only this time, with clarity. How do you understand philosophical framework, first of all?
IMNSHO it’s metaphysical–that’s an understatement–and you overcome subjectivity when you die. =P
All I meant was include some helpful things like:
Demonstrate the problem through analogy or thought experiment.
Show popular answers, and what you think of them.
Show your own answer, and why you believe it (your reasoning).
Show the problem in relation to specific practical issues (social, political or scientific).
I am just wondering if conciousness is a single unit of energy. Or is it a mass of particles. We look at our body, and we know that it is made up from many parts. We don’t really think of the billions of atoms as seperate objects.
Atoms have a charge, and the charges could merge into a single mass. It is much nicer to think of ourselves as a single mass.
So then to consider our conciousness, it is easier to think of conciousness as a single mass of energy.
Then again, energy is possibly made from small particles as well. If that is the case, then our conciousness is shared between lots of these particles. We would in fact have a conciousness made from billions of seperate entities. That is hard to accept I find. However, possibly accurate.
Yes and no.
The One is everything.
Murdoc wrote:
Consciousness, as it is perceived and understood, is everything. Only different manifestations of it at different levels and degrees present themselves to us accordingly. We are consciousness and we observe consciousness. We view ourselves separate from it from our subjectivity, this separateness does not truly exist.