Conspiracy Fact

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Hi. As you can see I used to post here, and then was away for some time. I am back, and I am going to continue where I left off, and that is proving that there is an overarching system of control which runs this planet, and has in mind, for the general public–that is, all of the people who post on this board, without exception–mental enslavement.

Where: Situated above the dichotomies that serve as he mechanisms of control. You all know them: Left, Right; Liberal, Democrat; East, West; Christian, Muslim; etc.

How: By hoarding esoteric knowledge and operating in secret (societies).

In the abstract: Psychopaths, in the clinical sense, are the perfect vehicles for energetic beings who, to put it simply, take over (the right kind of) people and use them to enact an emotional farming system for planets. As a side note, I believe psychopathy and altruism to be spiritual polarities, and the universe a place where the ‘game’ of good and evil plays out. So they are logically subjective, but functionally real.

****This board, being the size it is, has, or will have come out of the woodwork, people who are here deliberately to stir shit up. Agent provocateurs. This may seem paranoid now, to some at least, (to others this is run of the mill–you know who you are) but as time progresses the truth in what I say now may become more apparent to you. When reading what some of the responses say, please try to keep this in mind.

While you can do whatever you want, I ask that you do not chime in with things like:

“Well obviously there is no conspiracy, someone would have talked”
“[Something] [Something] [Tinfoil hat joke]”
“But [alphabet news agency] said: [this]”
“[Some emotional reaction because what I’m saying upsets you]”
“[Anything from Imp]” – Seriously, don’t post in this thread.

All of those examples, and many more, are redundant, and things I’ve heard literally hundreds, if not thousands of times before. No need to waste time and bandwith. Let’s try and use logic, what can more or less be agreed upon as ‘fact,’ and maybe we can uncover some new information, alright?

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Chapter 1:

[size=150]The Anglo-American Establishment: Our Tragedy, their Hope[/size]

youtube.com/watch?v=IRkCvubUGCM

Carrol Quigley was the historian for the Council on Foreign Relations, a position which granted him access to a private library unbeknownst to many people. In his publications he reveals, quite extensively and shamelessly, the progression and organization of what he calls the Anglo-American Empire. What he focuses on is mainly the British grip on America: the origins of the CFR, the British Institute of International Affairs, the UN, the Milner Group, etc. The video explains things fairly well. You can do your own research tangentially from this topic.

Tomorrow we will be moving back a frame, to explore the foundations (ha ha) of Freemasonry, and how it fits into the picture I am painting.

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I did some research. Here’s a quote from Quigley:

“Skousen’s book is full of misrepresentations and factual errors. He claims that I have written of a conspiracy of the super-rich who are pro-Communist and wish to take over the world and that I’m a member of this group. But I never called it a conspiracy and don’t regard it as such. I’m not an ‘insider’ of these rich persons, although Skousen thinks so. I happen to know some of them and liked them, although I disagreed with some of the things they did before 1940.”

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Here’s another quote from Quigley:

There does exist, and has existed for a generation, an internation Anglophile network which operates, to some extent, the way the radical right believes the Communists act. In fact, this network, which we may identify as the Round Table Groups, has no aversion to cooperating with the Communists, and frequently does so. I know of the operations because I have studied it for twenty years, and was permitted, for two years, to examine its papers and secret records. I have no aversion to it, or most of its aims, and have, for most of my life, been close to it and many of its instruments.

That’s from the video I posted, which I take it you skipped to do your own google research.

A couple things:

  1. I have no idea who Skousen is, or why you’re talking about him.

  2. Quigley never wrote about a conspiracy, and he wouldn’t call it as such. He’d probably closer to HG’s Well’s take on it, The Open Conspiracy. I mean he openly published books on the subject. Calling it a conspiracy is a non-sequitur. They are not pro-communist, at least not any more than they are pro-‘democracy,’ or pro military drug lord-- it doesn’t matter. Just a means to an end.

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I’m not. Quigley is. Skousen is responsible for Quigley becoming a poster child for conspiracy theories. By misrepresenting Quigley’s work. But it doesn’t matter. The rest of the quote speaks for itself.

The video overblows some factoids, and uses a couple of CT cliches. But even if it were true, it says nothing about “-mental enslavement” (I see a “chemtrails” post in my future!). And “In the abstract: Psychopaths, in the clinical sense, are the perfect vehicles for energetic beings who, to put it simply, take over (the right kind of) people and use them to enact an emotional farming system for planets.” is a non-sequitur itself.

I did watch the vid.

I also listened to some entirely incoherent audio from Quigley himself.

But even accepting all this as true, so what? The US and Britain want to dominate the world. Isn’t that what we are paying our respective governments for? Isn’t that what my taxes are going for?

They’d fucking better be out to dominate the world.

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As you’ll note, I selected a book that Quigley wrote, and not a book that Skousen wrote. As you can see, this is the Conspiracy Fact thread, not the conspiracy theory thread.

Sure it is. Anyways leave the psychopathy stuff for now. We’ll get to that.

He’s an Ivy-League graduate. Maybe you need better speakers?

More precisely, Britain wants to dominate through the US. When that job is over, which is nearly is, you’ll be left with a desolate economy and a wasteland for a country. 27 TRILLION flushed down the toilet to private interests later, and you’re definitely getting there. But hey, it’s all a coincidence, right? Right. Just keep reading.

If it’s true that’s the mild part of the so-what. The harsh part is the mental enslavement. Again… we’ll get to that. Small steps.

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That is certainly a practical truth, yes.

I disagree. I think the desire to dominate the world is nearly insatiable. But I can accept that a certain level is deterinable, and that it might satisfy present goals. I can remain open-minded to such a thesis.

I would like to see a case for that. Haven’t yet.

Yet there is always some sort of evidence kicking around to support the notion that civilisation or a given group’s hegemony is facing impending doom. Not that anything lasts forever. America’s dominance will some day end, if history is any guide. I just don’t see it coming any time soon. The US is not the only country to bail out private industry with public money. In fact, it happens regularly and in a lot of places, and it has for a very long time.

Rich guys have power, and they use it. They rule the world. Again, this is not exactly a news flash.

Rich powerful people mentally enslaving people?

I think Nietzsche beat you to this.

Certainly Plato did.

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It is for many people. Many people truly believe the government is a benevolent entity and countries and their citizens just… exist…somehow, independently. I dunno how they picture it, but you get my point.

What’s your point? That I’m wrong? Or that talking about this is redundant?

That’s hilarious, really.

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Well, the part about US/British hegemony just isn’t news, and isn’t, by itself, anything for americans or brits to be upset about. You canadians get to go along for the ride, so I don’t know why you should be upset, either.

The part about impending economic doom is different, sure. But make your case.

CT’s are myths - morality plays. In this one, the arrogant powers that be tragically (in the greek sense) get their comeuppance. In the very act of being evil - by the very evil itself. All very satisfying on an emotional level.

But religious, in the end.

The largest financial institutions and most powerful governments in the world call most of the shots - and they’re in cahoots! And their evil ways will be their downfall! That’s Western Civ 101 meets basic Mythmaking.

But go on, please. This is fun.

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I know, very much in fact, how it feels good for you to try and downplay this. It’s a natural reaction by the subconscious; I do it in regards to other topics. Like when I would talk with Dan about things and he would say ‘Well, no, actually you’re more fucked than you think.’ He was right, and so am I.

You seem to be one of those people who is comfortable with your outlook, and I doubt I will change it. I advise you to join the wait and we’ll see what happens.

Fortunately this is the conspiracy fact thread.

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We shall see. if it is, my “downplaying” won’t matter, and will be hardly worth comment.

But in fact, I am not downplaying anything. I am serious when I say this - I encourage the US to seek world dominance. It’s why we have Walmart.

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Just don’t spam and ruin the continuity. As I said at the onset, in a thread like this we can have a bunch of people chiming in with the usual sophomoric banter, or we can reveal some genuinely new information.

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Sophomoric banter is in the eye of the beholder. And if you don’t want your basic premises and assumptions attacked, you’re not having a philosophical conversation.

I will be happy to stop posting on this thread at your request.

But not to post in such a way that empowers you to believe that you are exerting the same “though control” that you yourself attack.

Just give me the word, and I’ll leave the thread (except as mod, of course).

That offer is from me, personally, and does not apply to anyone else. All relevant posts are allowed here. Just to make that clear. J. P. Morgan could control the world, but you can’t.

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Ok in case it wasn’t clear, I posted this in the Social Sciences section because this will be a thread concerning facts–something which borders into the philosophical realm partially at best. As evidenced by the first (beyond the OP) post, I will be posting quotes to books which I will have the links for.

Let me put it this way: Allow me a couple posts to establish some points, and my argument will start to make a lot more sense. These people sort of pride themselves on having this all hidden in front of our faces. When things start to click it’s an invigorating experience and you will be glad you came along for the ride. It’s a sort of holistic approach, understanding this stuff. Especially when we get into some of the more esoteric things.

When I’m done the agenda will be obvious to anyone who can read, and perhaps even some of the more acute animals. Whether or not you feel it is a good, as Faust’s comments have somewhat evidenced, or a bad thing is up for the individual to discern.

But I will lay it out as best I can with concrete evidence.

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I’m British and I would love to know that we still rule the world :wink:

Many Brits think this but where is the proof? e.g. Obama snubs us and invites China and India along to major meetings. why would someone do that? Because the UK is losing influence and those are gaining. How can a country with a small economic and military power ( relative to the USA ) control the USA? If I was the US president, I’m not too sure I would be scared of the UK, for example. Show me the proof and I will believe.

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Just out of interest, what counter-arguments will you brook? I mean, if your theory is a complete whackjob conspiracy pipedream (and I make no assumptions, but they do exist), how could we possibly argue that?

It just seems from your post (and response to Faust) you’re already preparing to dismiss any personal reaction as the emotional urges of an immature soul who can’t handle the truth, and any external facts brought in as the machinations of the corrupted, controlled media puppets. In which case, you’re preaching; take it elsewhere.

But I look forward to seeing where this is going.

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[size=150]Chapter 2: Money as Debt

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I don’t really want to spent too much time on this, because it’s simultaneously complicated, and laughably simple. One of those, when you see it, you’ll shit bricks type thing. I would venture to say 9/10 people on this website are aware, somewhat of the nature of how money works, but perhaps have never processed it in the following way. As the video points out, a street-level study revealed that most people have never considered how money is created. Have you?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVkFb26u9g8[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sanOXoWl0kc[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTv1fo6sKmo[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qicabStQkc[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kpSbkaD4tM[/youtube]

Abstract: Money is a type of energetic vampirism. We have to work a certain amount of time in any given day just to live. And in what? A debt-based, resource-inefficient belief system which perpetuates more of the same. It’s not that we couldn’t have another, like the resource-based economy espoused by Peter Joseph (Zeitgeist), it’s that our current paradigm is so ingrained in us we have trouble conceiving that we could simply do it a different way.

That is how you control people: you don’t give them the time or the ideological state to pursue freedom. Why do you think we’re still using gas, and operating in some archaic paradigm? It’s not because gas men are greedy and want money. Come on. Really think about it for a second. That type of wealthy isn’t about getting more money, it’s about being the arbiter of the world by using money as a means to an end. That is, we all use money as a means to an end, but they are not ‘buying’ anything other than more control. A utopian free-time society is one that is impossible to control in any real way, and that is what these people hunger for.

Control.

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[size=150]Chapter Three: Esoteria: Freemasonry. Part 1. [/size]

Resource: rapidlibrary.com/index.php?q=mor … t+pike+pdf

(I apologize in advance. This post doesn’t have the best flow to it, but I am writing in this thread after I get home from work so I’m kind of tired and mentally flummoxed.)

Using Quigley’s picture of what groups like the CFR, British Institute of International Affairs, the Council of Rome think-tank, are (really) up to, along with how they use fiat currency to enact their plans, let us get a better picture of the ideologies and intelligence of these people. For there, to me at least, lies the more interesting stuff. The spiritually pertinent information that the here and now is ripe to blossom with.

The predominant apparatus and ideology of the clandestine crew is Freemasonry. You know, those old men who run the fundraisers and what not. They are more involved than you might think, and their group runs deeper than most of those small town old men think. I really want to demonstrate how pervasive and ubiquitous this group is, but I don’t really have the time or energy. Needless to say Obama is a Mason, The Dali Lama is a Mason, cops are masons, judges are masons. If you are in a position of power, chances are you are either a mason, or someone they would love to have join their ranks.

They love to show it off. Let’s look to the Simpsons for a general introduction.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBav72i7I3s[/youtube]

Freemasons, if I were going to put it into a phrase, are the keepers of knowledge. The higher sciences. That is, sacred geometry, numerology, astrology, ritual magic, and symbolism. Essentially all of the things which they themselves spin as bogus or pseudo-science to the public are the things that they take very, very seriously. That is the nature of their creed: hide everything in plain sight. That is why it is so difficult to, pardon the cliche, ‘be shown what the matrix is’ because it’s no different from what you see already, just a shift in perspective.

The following stuff may appear inconsequential at first, but it has considerable effects. Here’s an example of how they use symbolism. Take the pyramid for example. Even the layperson on this topic knows the pyramid to be the ‘illuminati’ symbol:

Far from the only reason it was built, but the Pyramid psychically anchors those who view it with the impression of ‘few at the top, many at the bottom’ and because this particular pyramid is doing that according to sacred ratio, the effect is amplified. (There are different ways to amplify energy, and the pyramid is one of, if not the most effective. It can be used for good or bad. Think of the energy funneling off the top of the Luxor (pyramid casino in Vegas). I have seen it.

Resource: Neuro-Linguistic Programming.

Let’s look at language for an example. There are oh so many. How about this word: Understanding. It’s a good thing, right? We all want to understand information, of course.

A mason (of a high enough level) would say no. For what is that word? Understanding=Standing Under. Underneath who? Those overstanding–a word you have likely never heard of. It is not made-up I assure you. At this point you may think this just some funny, or even cheesy, semantic trick some old men play. I assure you it is not. Like I said, and as NLP shows us, language dictates thought. To utter someone else’s spell unknowingly is to get used. Don’t think so? Well then what is information then? Look at the word. In formation. You got used, and all these little things add up.

It’s magical, really. Language. That is why spelling is spelling. You’re creating a (magic) spell. Magic simply being a higher order of physics. Don’t believe in spells? Perhaps Derren Brown can change your mind. He’s a big, big fan of NLP.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOEKdaXIEHc[/youtube]

You may think this video is fake, but as one of the commenters points out, this does not work at an intellectual level–it bypasses it–and, while freaky, I’ve seen the effectiveness of NLP, and indeed all their tricks, repeated into redundancy.

Freemasony’s one and only construction is the Great Work–planet earth. Continued in Part 2 of the Masonic chapter will be the past and future of the Great Work. We shall enlist such thinkers as HG Wells, Charles Galton Darwin, and many others. So be sure to tune in!

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I listed 5 no-no’s, one of which doesn’t apply to you cause you are not Imp. I know you can avoid those pitfalls. I have faith in you. It is not me trying to preach, I’m just trying to avoid this turning into a crazy train. If we set a precedent for quality then it will hopefully self-sustain.

I will try my best to cite myself. I cannot produce a ‘document’ for everything, and I have a tendency to simply assume everyone understands certain psychic things (as I think we all psychic), however I think the argument is self-disclosing in many many ways.

One thing I should say, though, that I have come to understand since my departure from this place:

I am not the best person to explain this. I’m really not. I can’t communicate things coherently; I’m a (bad) fiction writer, and I’m better at saying confusing things then straight forward things. So keep that in mind.

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Freemasons are from round about the turn of the 17th Century, aren’t they?

“Understanding” is an Old English word, from the times of migrant Germanic tribes. “Substance” also means that which stands beneath - is this proof that the real masters are insubstantial (or superstantial)? What about circumstance? It’s clearly a sign that there is nothing coincidental, it’s all arranged by “those standing around us”?..

And “knowledge” goes all the way to proto Indo-European - who were the sinister hidden masters of Eurasian hunter-gatherers, guiding them even then?

I think you’ve lost me already, sorry.