Corona Virus Outbreak from Turd

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Trump faces ‘black swan’ threat to the economy and reelection

Even Trump‘s leading allies acknowledge the deadly coronavirus could present an existential political threat for the president in an election year.

A nurse works at an ICU ward specialized for patients infected by the coronavirus in Wuhan, China. | Xiao Yijiu/Xinhua via AP

02/24/2020 07:39 PM EST

Updated: 02/24/2020 09:47 PM

Stock markets tumbled around the world. The number of coronavirus cases mushroomed in advanced nations like Italy, Japan and South Korea. And travel bans expanded as leaders confronted the nightmarish prospect of a spreading virus swallowing their nations.

President Donald Trump’s top aides faced an increasingly urgent threat Monday with potentially monumental implications: a global outbreak knocking down the U.S. economy and walloping markets in an election year, all against accusations about whether the Trump administration had mismanaged and underfunded a critical response with American lives on the line.

A swift drop in the stock market — the Dow Jones Industrial Average fell more than 1,000 points, its largest slide in two years — jolted officials in the White House and across Washington, delivering implications from the long-simmering coronavirus threat to a wider swath of Americans.

“The view in the White House is that this is one of those classic black swan events, and all we can do is control the health issues in the U.S.,” said Stephen Moore, an informal economic adviser to the Trump team.

The still-mysterious coronavirus — which is hard to detect, poses high risk to the elderly and may in some cases be transmitted by people who show no symptoms — has infected more than 78,000 people abroad, although only 53 people now in the United States are confirmed to have contracted the virus, almost entirely overseas.

With the possibility of a U.S. outbreak growing by the day, Trump allies and advisers have grown increasingly worried that a botched coronavirus response will hit the U.S. economy. Even Donald Trump Jr. has mused to associates he hopes the White House does not screw up the response and put the president’s best reelection message at risk, said two individuals with knowledge of his comments.

“Trump’s reelection effort is so closely tied to the strength of the stock market and the economy,” said Moore, a distinguished visiting fellow at the Heritage Foundation and 2016 Trump campaign adviser. “Anything that shakes us off of that pro-growth track is a concern, but I think the view of officials in the White House is that this will be contained.”

“Once the virus is contained, the market will bounce right back,” Moore added.

Trump himself took a break from his two-day trip to India to weigh in on coronavirus, tweeting that the virus was under control in the United States. “We are in contact with everyone and all relevant countries. CDC & World Health have been working hard and very smart. Stock Market starting to look very good to me!” he wrote late Monday afternoon.

But inside the White House, officials have been quietly studying models of the pandemic’s potential effect on both the U.S. and the global economy, said one Republican close to the White House. Among policy aides, there‘s widespread concern that the spread of the coronavirus will hit a slew of industries including manufacturers, airlines, automakers and tech companies, slowing down both the U.S. and Chinese economies. Aides fear the White House has few economic tricks it can deploy to lessen the impact.

Meanwhile, officials like acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney and domestic policy chief Joe Grogan have turned their fire on HHS Secretary Alex Azar, who’s leading the coronavirus response, arguing that Azar has poorly coordinated the strategy, failed to escalate the potential risks to Trump and pushed for a multibillion-dollar emergency-funding request that they initially viewed as extreme, said four individuals familiar with the matter.The Trump administration on Monday night announced a request for $2.5 billion in emergency coronavirus cash, which would also shift at least $535 million in previously committed funds.

Funding the response had been a major sticking point between the White House and Azar, who lobbied to request additional funds from Congress before he makes four separate hearings on the Hill this week. Officials had spent days jockeying over the final figure for the emergency package, veering anywhere between $1 billion to $5 billion. The package also is expected to face resistance from Democrats, who have warned the Trump administration against shifting money away from existing commitments.

The White House and HHS both maintained that the task force is working in tandem and defended Azar’s leadership.

“There is zero disagreement between HHS, [National Security Council], the White House, and other members of the task force,” Mulvaney said in a statement. “Secretary Azar is the right person to lead this effort, and any reporting to the contrary is just false.”

“OMB and HHS have been in lockstep throughout this entire process,” said Derek Kan, a top White House budget deputy who’s also working on coronavirus efforts. An HHS spokesperson denied that the White House and Azar had disagreed over the emergency-funding request.

But the pressure-packed coronavirus fight has reopened year-old cracks between the White House and Azar, who has few allies in the White House and was seen as weakened by his own recent feud with Medicare chief Seema Verma. Two of Azar’s allies said they worried that the secretary’s job is at risk if the coronavirus response goes poorly.

Administration officials also have traded blame over the evacuation of 14 Americans from a cruise ship who were confirmed to have coronavirus, fueled by Trump’s anger over the episode. The decision to evacuate the Americans — who were placed on a plane with other Americans, over the objections from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — has sparked finger-pointing and second-guessing for days. Japanese officials didn’t inform their U.S. counterparts that the 14 had tested positive until they were already aboard buses with the other American cruise ship passengers heading for the airport.

Some officials worry that the U.S. is missing potential coronavirus infections of its own, especially as clusters of cases emerge in countries like Iran, prompting that nation’s neighbors Turkey, Pakistan and Armenia to close their borders. The U.S. surveillance effort has been hampered by the failure of the health department’s tests, with public health labs on Monday asking for permission to use their own homegrown tests rather than wait on the CDC.

“If we have an outbreak in the United States and didn’t pick it up, that’s going to be a public health mistake of historic proportion,” said a former senior HHS official.

Some White House officials also remain frustrated by the Chinese government’s handling of the outbreak, but Trump has been hesitant to publicly criticize President Xi Jinping. Democrats have seized on Trump’s wariness, with Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer on Monday calling on Trump to demand that Xi “end the secrecy and suppression of facts around coronavirus.” China spent more than three weeks rebuffing U.S. offers to send health officials to help with its outbreak and delayed reporting key details of the epidemic.

Public health groups have chastised the Trump administration for not moving faster to fund a response. “Major investments are needed to assist in this global health security challenge, which is directly impacting our nation’s health,” the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials and three other organizations wrote on Monday.

Advocates also criticized the administration’s significant cuts to pandemic preparedness — including a proposal to cut $1.3 billion from CDC’s discretionary spending in the president’s recent budget blueprint — which they say have left the nation less prepared to deal with an outbreak.

With the Trump administration now staring down a potential pandemic, urgency — and an immediate funding infusion — are essential to ensure that the U.S. is prepared, experts said.

“Every day that goes by is another day that you don’t have money to partner with private entities to develop vaccines, to invest in equipment,” said Chris Meekins, a Raymond James analyst and former HHS emergency-preparedness official in the Trump administration. “Time is not your friend in these situations — especially if you assume that the virus is not going to dissipate in the summer.”

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{See of any of the above will pan out}

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Of course, we’ll have to see what “going medieval on it” amounts to in Trumpworld. If, in fact, the pandemic is real and we start to accumulate more dire stats right here in America.

Will Trump one-up Xi Jinping with his own policies?

Of course the thing about China is that we want them to go all out medieval on it there. Whatever it takes, however draconian. That way we also have the advantage of pointing out that, if they go down that path, this just proves what we’ve always said about the Commies.

Including that they will sell out their soul for a good political bargain that will not expose their corrupted and incorrigible avarice; including the use of a reverse McCarthyism to advance an optical illusion.

{The above will qualify for draconian defenses of paranoid collusive conspiracies.}

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Here we go: the inevitable “preparation” for it.

What to do, what not to do.

On the other hand, we can also begin to ponder what reactions will be if somehow it does manage to just “blow itself out” and not really become a global threat at all.

After all, what if it is all just a “hoax” to take down Don Trump?

At some point in the future , the probability of one scenario , or.the other will surely be determined.

If there be a.global epidemic, then surely the hoax theory will diminish to a level of non sense, ascribed to by those whose rationale can not distinguish fact from fiction, and will espouse strictly a play for political football.

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Coronavirus outbreak

Coronavirus: Pence defends Trump Jr claim Democrats want ‘millions’ to die

Vice-President is leading White House taskforce on outbreak

Republicans are only ‘pushing back’, Pence claims

Robert Reich: Trump’s cuts have made the danger far worse

Sun 1 Mar 2020 09.36 EST

When Donald Trump Jr said Democrats hope coronavirus “kills millions of people” in the US because they want to bring his father down, he was merely “pushing back” at politicisation of the viral outbreak by Trump opponents, Mike Pence claimed in an interview broadcast on Sunday.

Coronavirus: Trump’s mixed messages ‘undermines public trust’, experts say

“It’s time for the other side to turn down the volume,” the vice-president told NBC’s Meet the Press.

At a White House press conference on Saturday, Trump was forced to defend his use of the word “hoax” in reference to the outbreak. Harshly criticised by contenders for the Democratic presidential nomination, the president said he had been referring to politicisation of coronavirus, not the outbreak itself.

In the interview broadcast on Sunday, NBC host Chuck Todd played Pence clips of Trump allies discussing the outbreak which on Saturday claimed its first US death, a man in Washington state.

Rush Limbaugh, the conservative shock jock to whom Trump gave the Presidential Medal of Freedom, said: “The coronavirus is being weaponized, as yet another element to bring down Donald Trump.”

You see voices on our side pushing back on outrageous and irresponsible rhetoric on the other side

Republican National Committee chair Ronna McDaniel said: “Democrats are using this for their political gain to try and stoke fear in the American people, which is shameful, wrong, and I think un-American.”

And Donald Trump Jr, appearing on Fox News, said: “For them to try to take a pandemic and seemingly hope that it comes here and kills millions of people so that they could end Donald Trump’s streak of winning is a new level of sickness.”

On CNN’s State of the Union on Sunday, host Jake Tapper twice asked Pence if he agreed with Trump Jr’s claim that Democrats want coronavirus to “kill millions of people”.

Pence avoided the question, instead saying people need to set politics aside in the response to the outbreak and insisting Trump, who at his Friday rally claimed “the Democrat policy of open borders is a direct threat to the health and wellbeing of all Americans”, was directing all sides to take politics out of the equation.

Pence is in charge of White House efforts in response to the outbreak. Saying he was leading “decisive action to protect the American people”, he told NBC: “And when you see voices on our side pushing back on outrageous and irresponsible rhetoric on the other side, I think that’s important, and I think it’s justified.”

Todd said: “It seems like people are taking nervousness and turning it into a political wedge issue.”

“Well,” Pence replied, “that’s why my friends that you just played clips of are pushing back as hard as they’re pushing. It is time for the other side to turn down the volume.”

Asked to cite instances of politicisation of the outbreak by Democrats or the media, Pence said: “There was a column in the New York Times by a prominent liberal journalist that said, ‘We should rename it the Trump virus.’”

“I mean, to have someone advocate that you rename the coronavirus the Trump virus is reckless and irresponsible.”

The column in question, by Gail Collins, ran on Wednesday under the headline “Let’s call it Trumpvirus” and with a standfirst which read: “If you’re feeling awful, you know who to blame.”

A critical take on Trump’s response to the virus, its first line read: “So, our Coronavirus Czar is going to be … Mike Pence. Feeling more secure?”

Pence has faced criticism for his record on public health while governor of Indiana, and for his view of science-based policy as a strict Christian.

On Saturday night, the Washington Post published a deeply reported account of what it called “the administration’s slapdash and often misleading attempts to contain not just the virus, but also potential political damage from the outbreak – which has tanked financial markets, slowed global commerce and killed some 3,000 people worldwide”.

On NBC, Pence was asked if the president was nervous that the outbreak was going to affect the US economy in an election year.

“The president’s concern is the health and safety of the American people,” Pence said. “I mean, the fundamentals of this economy are strong … and as the president said yesterday, we’re going to focus on the health of the American people and this economy and particularly the stock market that saw some downturns this week, it will come back.

“But our focus is going to remain on the health and well-being of the American people.”

Inequalities of US health system put coronavirus fight at risk, experts say

A man in his 50s in Washington state is the first person known to have died from coronavirus in the US, but officials said on Saturday they did not know how he contracted the virus.

Twenty-two Americans have coronavirus that is either travel-related or was spread from another person, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). Of the Americans repatriated from the Diamond Princess cruise ship and Wuhan, China, 47 have tested positive for coronavirus.

According to the latest World Health Organization (WHO) situation report, there have been reports of 83,652 cases of coronavirus and nearly 2,800 deaths worldwide.

The majority of cases are in China but severe outbreaks have been reported in Iran, South Korea and Italy. On Saturday, Pence announced measures including new travel restrictions on Iran and screening of passengers coming to the US from other countries.

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{ political football or hoax? Is this toss up a gamble like that testing the whole U.S. population, may, the whole world population?

Is this gamble worth branding it like a new Taj Mahal that was an utter disaster? }

One fatality in US today, one in UK this week… both female and in their late-50s/70s and 20/3 infected, respectively.

Funnily enough, the two fatalities had not traveled in recent years, and funny how countries are now exercising quarantine… finally.

The only newsworthy story is 99% of North Americans and Europeans are a hell of a lot poorer, and less free now than they were several decades ago, meanwhile 1% of North Americans and Europeans are a hell of a lot richer, and that must be rectified, everything else, including corona, is bullshit propaganda, distraction and deflection.

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The inevitable comparison: the 1918 Spanish Flu:

[b]"That was 1918, and people were collapsing and dying everywhere from a Spanish flu pandemic. Philadelphia’s 31 hospitals were full and turning away patients, who offered huge bribes to get in. Police officers with surgical masks were sent to pick up bodies from homes, but 33 police officers died within weeks.

‘In virtually every home, someone was ill,’ John M. Barry writes in his book about that pandemic, ‘The Great Influenza.’ ‘People were already avoiding each other, turning their heads away if they had to talk, isolating themselves. The telephone company increased the isolation: With 1,800 telephone company operators out, the phone company allowed only emergency calls.’

Sports events were canceled. Theaters closed. Shaking hands was made illegal in Prescott, Ariz. Philadelphia hurriedly set up six more morgues. Families put crepe paper on doorways to signal a death inside — and crepe was everywhere."[/b]

I guess the key question, if this is the next “once in a century” outbreak, is the difference between then and now. And pn so many different ways.

A century ago, starvation and viruses were a major problem, but thanks to improvements in food distribution and sanitation, they’re no longer a major problem.
Today, the problem is obesity, cancer, diabetes, heart disease and stroke.
We’re overfed and toxified.
People need to worry much less about viruses and much more about how fat they are, how little exercise they get, what foods they’re sensitive to, what nutrients they’re lacking and chemicals and radiation in their food and environment, that’s what’s killing you.

6 deaths in the USA.

What does the United States CDC and Juan’s refrigerator have in common?

They both now have a six pack of corona.

And counting.

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Live | Coronavirus latest news: UK confirms 12 new cases, taking total to 51

The number of people diagnosed with the coronavirus in the UK has risen to 51, Health Secretary Matt Hancock has said, rising by 12.

It comes after the UK Government published a 28-page “battle plan” setting out the coronavirus strategy. It revealed that the Army is on standby and police will be told to stop investigating lower level crime.

Follow the latest here.

Coronavirus tracker: Live map of reported cases and deaths around the world

Current figures:



Damn! the UK is now at 87 confirmed cases… up from 51 yesterday.

Any public places that have been visited by any Covid19 carriers are being closed and sprayed down daily, so schools, GP surgeries and such, and quarantining is being rigorously exercised.

Any masked citizens yet? That’s what I keep looking for around here. So far, no cases confirmed in or around Baltimore. The closest confirmed cases are in New York City and North Carolina.

It’s the uncertainty of it all that keeps most of us glued to the updates.

What happened to ‘Keep Calm and Carry On’?
:laughing:

There are confirmed cases in London, but I have no idea how many.

I’ll be the one going out in a mask… just call me ninja Mags… my nephew was the other day. Surprisingly, I haven’t seen anyone wearing a mask… saving embarrassment is obviously winning, over precaution.

Wearing a mask doesn’t prevent you from getting the virus.

It only reduces the chance of an infected person (who is wearing it) passing the virus to an uninfected person.

IOW, if you don’t have the virus it’s useless for you to wear it.

Er… 8-[

The plan is now about minimising new cases and controlling the spread of the virus, as the virus horse has already bolted from the containment stables. :neutral_face:

Yeah… I’ll be wearing my mask, until there are no more new cases.

Isn’t an army always on standby in peacetime?

And why would the police “stop investigating lower level crime”?

What useful stuff are the police and army going to be doing now?